ERNEST HOPE Acrobat

[haney]

This seems to be Hopes husband Francis Lee.  How sad really

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/159173403?searchTerm=suicide%20francis%20lee

[Jennaya]

There were many births with that name in NSW, but coincidentally there was one in 1889 at Marrickville to a mother named Hope WHITE.  Her full name was Hopewell Irwin WHITE, born in Dublin and then immigrated with her parents and siblings.

She also had an illegitimate daughter who died as an infant and married in 1891 to Francis Benjamin LEE.  I cannot determine what happened to her son.  Her husband commited suicide in 1924 and her death notice only mentions the daughter she had with LEE.

LEE - April 24, 1944, Hope Lee, late of 4 Westwood Avenue, Belmore, beloved mother of Myrtle and grandmother of Norma, aged 72 years.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17867176

Debra 

I drilled down on this BDM entry and the actual DOB is 09/06/1889.

[haney]

HI Jennaya you don't have the actual BC do you.  Regards DIANNA

[Jennaya]

HI Jennaya you don't have the actual BC do you.  Regards DIANNA

Hi Dianna
I don't have the birth certificate. You can find actual date by searching using the year, then searching using half a year,  then dropping off months till you have the actual date.  I thought this might be of use if anyone in the family had heard of Ernest's birthday.

[haney]

Alexina White in trouble + daughters 1883

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107232052?searchTerm=%27ALEXINA%20WHITE%27

1888 -Samuel FRANCIS boarded with the White family

1889 - ERNEST WHITE born in Marrickville to HOPE WHITE no father

1891 - Census Charles WHITE in St. Peters/Marrickville Cowper St 2 Boys, 3 Girls

1912 - Accident Alexina falls on footpath.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/228852280?searchTerm=alexina%20white

1918 - Possible deceased Estate file Alexina White in Redfern

[Neale1961]

Just a note -
Samuel Francis (potential father for Ernest) was in prison by the time Ernest White was born in June 1889
31st Jan 1889 – he was sentenced for 3 years, for Pawning and stealing.

Newspaper report calls him Cingalese (from Sri Lanka / Ceylon)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/227327288?searchTerm=%22Samuel%20Francis%22
Prison records refer to him as Indian.

[sparrett]

Noting also that if the age at death is correct, Hope WHITE was 16 or 17 at the birth of Ernest WHITE.

So at least 10 years younger then Samuel James FRANCIS.

Sue

[haney]

Yes Hope must have been pretty young and even younger when Ellen V was born in 1888.  Very interesting.

I've just looked on ancestry re inquests if the sister of Ernie did in fact die in a fire.  No evidence so far

I looked before but that was under Hope surname.

Good to know also when this character Samuel Francis was in Gaol, thanks for that so around at least to conceive Ernest (and perhaps Ellen V White)

So he was out of gaol in 1892 and Hope remarried in 1891.

Also Debra did you actually see a death recorded for Ellen V WHITE at all.  I'm just trying to confirm this story in the family that this sister died in a fire??

Many thanks Dianna

[mckha489]

Death of Ellen

WHITE  ELLEN V 4681/1888 HOPE NEWTOWN