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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #63 on: Saturday 30 August 25 04:17 BST (UK) »
The other consistency is the month & year of marriage recorded on the two births.

October 1908

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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #64 on: Saturday 30 August 25 07:13 BST (UK) »
I would say the confirmation of the details for Doreen look to be in order and likely to be truthful.
Born in hospital with complete witness details etc.

Leonard's birth was at the home Adeline shared with her mother.
No accouchier, and just a Mrs Dent certifying.

Ernest KING's birth stated to be 1887.
Ern Wm HOPE on enlistment birthdate 1888.
Ern Wm Francis HOPE date of birth at death 1890/1

Jas BOW birthdate was 1884. exactly 10 years out on Doreen's BC

Exact date of marriage given is at variance.

In my opinion, KING appears to be trying to slip into the identity of James BOW in many aspects, but does not use his name.

Violet ROBBINS in Tasmania asks James BOW,  Are you the same man as Ern KING?
 
In 1920 in the military record of her husband (Thomas Henry LOWE) Ruth mentions her son in one of the letters from her. States his name Leonard and describes him as her other son and in another letter, my youngest son.

However Leonard uses the surname name BOW (not LOWE or KING) and it looks like she took him on when Adeline ended the BOW relationship/marriage.

None of this helps with the questions about CANNON/HOPE, regrettably ::)

for interest's sake. Is there a resemblance? Leonard and Ern Wm HOPE


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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #65 on: Saturday 30 August 25 21:48 BST (UK) »
Hi re the photo of Leonard I can see no resemblence to Ernest W HOPE as there is no connection there .
I have attached the photo of Reginald P HOPE the second illegitimate child born to Ern Hope and Adeline 1915. 

There you can see a resemblence.  I will try and find a photo of Daphne Teresa Hope Robinson to see if she looks similar in colour/resemblence to Ern HOPE. 

Wow this has been some hard research.  That address of 294 Lygon st Carlton on Leonards birth was th same given in the court/paper report wasn't it?? 

I'm just now trying to get back into Trove.  Well Ernest Hope may remain a mystery unless some of the descendants compare their DNA with each other. 

Trying to co ordinate all of this is very time consuming and I'm not getting much co operation.  Grrrr Thanks Dianna

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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #66 on: Saturday 30 August 25 22:43 BST (UK) »
 Looks like this is James Richard as well.  Haven't seen the whole record though.  A very interesting Character.  LOL Dianna

New South Wales, Australia, Entrance Books for the Vernon and the Sobraon, 1867-1911Preview
Court, governmental & criminal records

Record information.
Name   
James Richard Bow
Mother   
Mary Ellen Bow
Father   
Jas Robt Bow
Birth   
1884 Appila, South Australia
Residence   
11 Nov. 1899 Sydney, New South Wales


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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #67 on: Sunday 31 August 25 02:46 BST (UK) »
Yes, 294 Lygon is the address for Ruth at the court hearing.
Shared with Adeline who was seen there by Constable SHARPE at the arrest of James R BOW.

Adeline was not in court.

Presumably she was at home with the infant Leonard.

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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday 03 September 25 07:21 BST (UK) »
I came back with last look at Ernie today and spotted this which you may already know.

When James Richard BOW enlisted for the first time he signed on 29/10 1915.

He claimed as NOK his wife Mrs Ruth Adeline BOW who lived at
2 Miles Street Surry Hills

Reginald Percy HOPE was born September 1915 with parents Ernest Phillip and Adeline Ruth. I cannot remember seeing his BC

The surname HOPE was also used for the first birth registration in 1913.   

The Sands Alphabetical Directory for 1915 shows Ernest CANNON at
2 Miles Street

From this I would be tempted to say that Adeline lived with a chap named Erest CANNON.

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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 03 September 25 07:57 BST (UK) »
SUE!!! I do not believe what I'm seeing.  This is amazing!!  Does the Sands directory mention an occupation.

I will fill in the details of Reginald Percy's birth and his sister Daphne Theresa.  Unbelievable and thanks for going to that trouble.  WOW.  Thank you Dianna

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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #70 on: Wednesday 03 September 25 08:07 BST (UK) »
Well done  ;D 

Ernest CANNON is also at 2 Botany Street in the directories for 1916/17/18 which is the same address that Ernest HOPE gave when he enlisted.

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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #71 on: Wednesday 03 September 25 08:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Debra
    This is incredible.  Don't know why he is using two names, sounds suspicious doesn't it!!!

Who does qualify to be in the Sands Directories by the way??  Dianna