ERNEST HOPE Acrobat

[haney]

Ernest William Hope and wife Sarah

[sparrett]

Hi Haney
There's no doubt you have gone to lengths with certificate purchases in the efforts to sort this family story.

However, in reply #31 Debra has asked again about the birth certificate for Leonard KING, Father Ernest KING.

His birth was very close to the time of James BOW's bigamy saga.  Have you sighted it?
It would be a direct download in Vic.

James BOW was arrested 25th Feb when Leonard would be about 3 months. The arrest was at the home of Ruth LOWE and arresting officer Sharpe states he saw Adeline at that home too.

So it would seem that the father of baby Leonard must have been about in March 1910 and the details of him on the BC might reveal something..

Also has the skin condition psoriasis ever been mentioned or inquired about in connection with Ern Wm Francis HOPE? I think it was the reason for his rejection as a serviceman.

 It can be quite severe and may have been visually evident to family.

Sue

[haney]

Hi Sue
    I'm trying to decide whether to purchase that certificate of LEONARD KING.  I have found it on the Vic BDM. 

  I'm trying to follow really what this ERN KING has to do with JAMES Richard Bow to tell you the truth.

  Leonard was brought up with the BOW surname for sure by the looks of it and it is he is died WW11? 

I just cannot understand this really as Adeline is having a child to an ERN KING. 

Then Violet Robbins is writing to an Ern King.  I've tended to be sceptical of the newspaper report because of it's conflicting information.

I have sorted all of the siblings of James Richard Bow as stated before. 

Again with the birth certificate of Leonard it may be full of lies anyway! 

This is why I tend to try and find others doing research so I can see if they have certificates and then I can share with them what I have.

With Ernest William Francis I am going to ask about that psoriasis.  Could be another "little connection"

I received today also the birth certificate of the first child of Ernest W F HOP and Sarah just to see place of birth for Ern etc.  Just says born Marrickville NSW.

At least from the birth certificate it say's they were living at Tempe Road Bexley which matches up with some of the Sands directories.

Also I was considering purchasing the birth record for DOREEN RUTH Bow 1909 as this may reveal previous issue.

Will just have to way up the cost of purchasing more certificates. Thanks Dianna

[haney]

I've just sent a message to one of the extended family in the hopes that they can provide me with that Psoriasis detail. That is something he may have needed medical attention for during his life.  Dianna

[sparrett]

Yes,
In those days it was a lifelong affliction which flared and subsided, but was not cured

Treatment was limited.

It was certainly sufficiently bothersome to be consistently grounds for disqualification in the forces.

I certainly understand your hesitation in rushing in to yet another certificate. The photo of Leonard shows a darkish chap, but.....

I think the only line of thinking was that Ern CANNON in Tas during the court case (and Geelong 3rd Dec 1910) EQUALS Ernie KING, EQUALS Ern HOPE.

It was suggested in a previous thread that Adeline had rather moved on from BOW by 1910 and that her mother Ruth had "adopted" him as her husband, while Adeline was with KING, CANNON.
It explains why Ruth was ranting in court "my husband"
Adeline was not at court.

I feel as if I'm writing script for B grade movie!

Sue

 

[haney]

I've decided to bit the bullet and order a couple of certificates.  Leonard King and perhaps Doreen's birth cert.

Its really frustrating asking the one contact I have for information.  Very vague even though on HER tree she has Ernest's father was born in Mumbai.

https://carlaw.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=carlaw&view=0&pid=4599&ver=24949

The family take the birth date and place from his marriage certificate which say's he was born in Marrickville.  Grrrrr!! 

I don't think they know what's what really.  ANYWAY at least I know I have searched as much as I can.  Will post the certificates when they come through.

Thanks for all your constant patience and help.  Dianna

[haney]

2 Certificates Doreens birth + Leonard

[haney]

Leonard King.  This is what I mean by misleading certificates.  The only consistency is that the father is  Kitchenman.  Jame R BOW was a Pastrycook on one of the Electoral Rolls I believe.

If Adeline was married to BOW why would she say the kids name is KING and apparently they are all living under the same roof (per 1911 newspaper report).

So annoying is it not.  LOL

[haney]

1909
52 Kerr Street, Fitzroy, Vic
James Richard BOW, Pastrycook
Ruth BOW

1910 from Leonards birth he was born 294 Lygon St.

Is there a 1910 Electoral Roll for Ruth and/or James Richard

1911 He was in gaol for 6 months

1912/1913/1914
19 David Street, Carlton, Vic
James Richard BOW, Actor
Ruth BOW