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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 24 August 25 04:48 BST (UK) »
Well, yes it is,
And it kind of looks like the name Ernest Phillip HOPE was a name they all used to fill in a blank spot on certificates.

At Reginald Percy's marriage, he was the father.
Adeline  his mother.

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Re: ERNEST HOPE Acrobat
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 24 August 25 04:53 BST (UK) »
HI Yes it is an old post but I thought I would do a bit more researching on Ernest W F HOPE or ?? whoever he is claiming to be as his last child Betty died this month and it started the conversation off again in the family because no on has his birth records in India.

So that is why I have decided to gather as many "new" snippets I can.  Thanks Dianna

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« Reply #21 on: Sunday 24 August 25 06:02 BST (UK) »
Thought I would include Adeline Ruth LOWE/BOW (HOPE?) Waltons death certificate.  Thanks Dianna

Its too large apparently.  Anyway the children mentioned are Doreen 75, Michael deceased, DAPHNE 72, REGINALD Deceased, Annie Deceased and Edward Deceased.

Mother RUTH WATTS 26 Dec 1984.  Father unkown LOWE.

I found Doreens birth in Victoria as Doreen Ruth Bow 1909 Carlton Victoria.  I have Daphne Theresa HOPE Illegitimate born 10 August 1913.  So I imagine Adeline was expecting in 1912.

Some things don't make sense and perhaps there is some confusion between mother RUTH and daughter Adeline Ruth.

1913 Electoral roll JAMES BOW and RUTH living at 541 Crown Street.

Very confusing.  Perhaps James is living with the mother Ruth and Adeline is shacked up with Ernest HOPE. 

Then James Richard Bow enlists in Army Sydney in 1915.  NOK RUTH ADELINE BOW.  Hmmmm!! Strange.

It's also very weird as in 1907 in Victoria there is the birth of
BOW JAMES Richard Alexander Mother RUTH WATT Father James Richard BOW.

He was registered as LOWE as well Mother RUTH WATT Unknown father.

1908 James Richard BOW marries Adeline Ruth LOWE.

That seems really bizarre to me.  Looks like the mother Ruth has a child with her daughters husband, before Adeline marries him.  My Goodness.


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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 24 August 25 07:27 BST (UK) »

Some things don't make sense and perhaps there is some confusion between mother RUTH and daughter Adeline Ruth.

1913 Electoral roll JAMES BOW and RUTH living at 541 Crown Street.

Very confusing.  Perhaps James is living with the mother Ruth and Adeline is shacked up with Ernest HOPE. 

Then James Richard Bow enlists in Army Sydney in 1915.  NOK RUTH ADELINE BOW.  Hmmmm!! Strange.

It's also very weird as in 1907 in Victoria there is the birth of
BOW JAMES Richard Alexander Mother RUTH WATT Father James Richard BOW.

He was registered as LOWE as well Mother RUTH WATT Unknown father.

1908 James Richard BOW marries Adeline Ruth LOWE.

That seems really bizarre to me.  Looks like the mother Ruth has a child with her daughters husband, before Adeline marries him.  My Goodness.

It was common for people to fail to register to vote. That may be why you do not see Adeline with her mother and husband.

I don't think that Ruth (LOWE) necessarily had a child with James BOW.
It was also common for the mother of a girl having a baby before marriage to register the infants with herself as mother.

In the news piece which I linked for you, Ruth persists in calling the man her husband. She has with her a 4 year old boy. She is likely perpetuating the story to conceal her daughter's ex nuptial pregnancy.

The NOK on 1915 enlistment is not particularly odd. Perhaps he thought of her as his next of kin really regardless of their living arrangements.

On his re-enlistment 1918 he states NOK his mother Ellen. He at first states single, but later in the file states married.


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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 24 August 25 07:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue
    Thanks I never knew that about mothers registering their daughters children.  Never heard of it, but it makes sense.

    Yes Ruth does call James her hubby in the paper.  As you say I can understand why.  She does say that she was present at her daughters marriage to James R BOW.  Thanks for your input.  Dianna

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« Reply #24 on: Sunday 24 August 25 07:45 BST (UK) »
Also if Adeline was born in 1891.

LOWE   Adeline Ruth
Father Thomas Alfred Henry LOWE
Barossa   478/391   1891

She would not even be old enough to vote till 1912.
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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 24 August 25 21:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks Sue of course I should have thought of that.  Just looking again at the Ruth Watt (Lowe) and James Bow situation.

From NSW BDM also I will attach the headstone.  James R A Bow may have been brought up as her son.  There is an Alexander (last child) b 1907 by the looks of it on her death certificate.

Thanks Dianna

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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 24 August 25 21:26 BST (UK) »
Their Headstone at Botany Cemetery.  Thanks