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Offline Leon47

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General question about entering peoples birth year
« on: Monday 18 August 25 16:08 BST (UK) »
I've often wondered about best practice with this.

If I know the date of a birth event, obviously I have an actual date to record against it.

If I don't have an exact date but do have an approximate year (say from an age given on a census) I can put something like c.1865.

But then what do you put if you have just the name of a Father on an old marriage registration? The son could be one of up to 14 children (I have ancestor families that big) and if none of the other siblings is known, any approximation of the fathers year of birth would be very wide of the mark, even if you assume he was married at age 21.

My Genealogy program (Family Historian) allows me to enter something like 'around 1861' or 'between 1835 and 1845' or 'before 1845' but it treats it as a Date Phrase, which isn't recognised when I export things to other programs.

I could just put 'Unknown' but that isn't really true or useful.

So what is good practice when you want to enter the year when a person was born but don't have much to go on? I almost need a cc.1835, which would be interpreted as 'very much around 1835' (but this still might not be recognised when exported, so not much use).

I'll probably ask this on the Family Historian Forum too but I thought the question was so general I'd ask here first.

Any thoughts? Thanks.

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Re: General question about entering peoples birth year
« Reply #1 on: Monday 18 August 25 16:50 BST (UK) »
Can't pretend to know what is viewed as 'best practice' but I would leave the date as unknown or just a '?' if I have no evidence whatsoever.

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Re: General question about entering peoples birth year
« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 August 25 17:06 BST (UK) »
I usually enter ABT (about) <year no>.
Don't know anything about "best practice".
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Re: General question about entering peoples birth year
« Reply #3 on: Monday 18 August 25 17:28 BST (UK) »
I find it helpful to enter my best estimate "Est. 1835" (for example).

This at least gives a starting date to use for further investigation.


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Re: General question about entering peoples birth year
« Reply #4 on: Monday 18 August 25 18:10 BST (UK) »
I usually enter ABT (about) <year no>.
Don't know anything about "best practice.

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CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
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Re: General question about entering peoples birth year
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 August 25 20:38 BST (UK) »
I've often wondered about best practice with this.

If I know the date of a birth event, obviously I have an actual date to record against it.

If I don't have an exact date but do have an approximate year (say from an age given on a census) I can put something like c.1865.

But then what do you put if you have just the name of a Father on an old marriage registration? The son could be one of up to 14 children (I have ancestor families that big) and if none of the other siblings is known, any approximation of the fathers year of birth would be very wide of the mark, even if you assume he was married at age 21.



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If you have a Place of Birth (from the Census), a Father from the Marriage Certificate and an Age from their Death Certificate (or even an approximate Birth Year in the Census), 90% of the time you are halfway there in trying to get the correct Birth or Baptism image of the record, unless it is a very common surname, and in London or other big City.

If you have been getting Death Certificates going backward as well (as the Marriage Certificates you have been getting and Birth Certificates), I would hope that you would get the first Birth or Baptism prior to Civil Registration in 1837 and hopefully get back a bit further still?

Working out when someone dies, checking the Death Certificate details look right and working out where they are buried to see if they have a Memorial stone (a few photos are becoming available online now) and what their Memorial says was just as important to me.

However, it very much depends on how far you want to go back, what kind of budget and time you have available I suppose, as to whether you try and find their actual Baptism or Birth, rather than put an about Birth year and stop there?

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In 1999 I had got back to a place and I had found him in the 1841 Census, got his 1845 Death Certificate saying he was 60 years old.

Twenty five years on, I have collected a massive amount of related documentary material, Wills, his Burial record held in a University Special Collections (not online), some information from newspapers and some held in Archives (some Deed Packs are still with a Solicitor whose client owns the building upon which my ancestor's buildings once stood), plus other information about him and my wider family by marriage, but never been able to confirm his parentage and my Line before circa 1785!

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Re: General question about entering peoples birth year
« Reply #6 on: Monday 18 August 25 21:26 BST (UK) »
I can tell you what the best practice is when cataloguing a book with no publication date.  Maybe you can adapt this a little to fit family history circumstances.

1892 or 3 - one of two years certain
1892? - probable date
ca 1892 - approximate date
between 1896 and 1912
189-   - decade certain
189-?  - decade uncertain
18--   - century certain
18--?  - century uncertain

Presumably the last two are irrelevant!
Previously people had used "n.d." - no date, which was not best practice after 1967.

(Source: Anglo-American Cataloguing Rules, 1967)

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Re: General question about entering peoples birth year
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 19 August 25 10:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone. Some very interesting feedback.

BushInn1746 - I posted this question here because it was a general question but my family history is all Northern Irish, so there's no real prospect of getting any information about someone born pre 1864.

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Re: General question about entering peoples birth year
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 19 August 25 12:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone. Some very interesting feedback.

BushInn1746 - I posted this question here because it was a general question but my family history is all Northern Irish, so there's no real prospect of getting any information about someone born pre 1864.

Quite untrue. Yes, there was no civil registration of births before 1864 but there are MANY other records that can give a fairly accurate date of birth.
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