Papple / Murray Family

[Inter]

I have being trying very unsuccessfully to find information regarding my Great Grandmother Margaret Murray. I know that she married James Papple 1813- 1883 in Glasgow in 1843. He was a tailor and that they lived in Glasgow. James came from Kirkcudbrightshire and I think both of his wives also came from there. This was James second marriage (his 1st wife was also called Margaret (Mc Taggart) unfortunately this has caused a problem in that from most of the ancestry sites people just assume they are the same person. I have found certificates for both of James's marriages but both have little detail so I can't find the birth or death of Margaret McTaggart nor can I find the birth of Margaret Murray but I do have her death certificate unfortunately this was not filled out correctly so I could find her parents names. The other issue is information from the census indicates that Margaret Murray was born in 3 different places Newton Stewart, Wigton and New Monkland. I know some of those places are near but I couldn't understand whether they were parishes of counties so then couldn't try to find birth comparisons. The only other bit of information I have is that Margaret Murray had a sister Agnes Murray that died in Glasgow in 1867 this was from a newspaper article. ( again couldn't find her birth or death). So all I have about Margaret Murray is she died in Saltcoats Ayr 1880 and was possibly born in about 1816 and married in 1843. Her and James had a son born in 1848 ( no documentation at all) Any suggestions please

[Neale1961]

 I think you need to be careful believing Ancestry transcriptions of place names.
The 1851 and 1861 census has Margaret born in Newton Stewart in Wigtownshire or Galloway.
1871, I suspect should say that too, but has been mangled in the transcription
The original images of the census are available from Scotlands People.

[Neale1961]

This is 1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a150219f4040b9d6e0c2c47/margaret-papple-1851-lanarkshire-glasgow-1816-?locale=en

Who does William age 13 belong to?
Was he a son that Margaret Murray brought to the marriage, who has taken on his stepfather’s surname. ??
That William is not with James Papple in 1841.
It looks like the first wife Marg McTaggart must have died between 1841 census and 1843.

1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14e563f4040b9d6eec2319/margaret-papple-1841-lanarkshire-barony-1816-?locale=en

[jonwarrn]

Margaret Murray had a sister Agnes Murray that died in Glasgow in 1867 this was from a newspaper article. ( again couldn't find her birth or death).

Newspaper announcement says that Agnes Murray died on the 11th November, 60 Oswald Street
There is this one
Agnes Murray
Age 40
Year 1867
RD Clyde
Ref 644 / 5 / 688

More info on FamilySearch
Agnes Murray
40
Died 11 November 1867
Single
Occupation Nurse Domestic Servant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X95N-X4QJ

And here's her burial at Sighthill Cemetery, 14 November 1867
Says sister of Margaret Papple, 66? Oswald St (not great handwriting!)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS54-M94J-4

[jonwarrn]

Add in the Script Book
7981
Confirming James Papple, Tailor, as lair proprietor and his address, 60 Oswald Street
Bottom left
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-DLTH

[Creasegirl]

Have you got Margaret Murrays actual death certificate as that may confirm its the right one as should have who she married to, if he is deceased.  If she was in Saltcoats then maybe she was living with one of her children or on holiday.

[Creasegirl]

James Papple retired sailor and clothier aged 64 is in the 1881 census in 75 Hamilton Street, Saltcoats as a widower living with his daughter Margaret Papple. He was born in Twyholm, Kirkudbrightshire 

[jonwarrn]

Possible burials
Ardrossan Parish Cemetery
30 January 1880
Margaret Papple, age 63
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH6-QSBV-V

Sighthill Cemetery
1 June 1883
James Papple, age 70
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-ZKKV

Sighthill Cemetery
2 October 1914
Margaret Papple, age 75
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-K9JQ-4

Death reg for Margaret has mother's maiden name McTaggart.

[Inter]

Thank you for all the helpful replies. Yes I have learnt not to believe everything on the ancestry sites . The son William from the 1851 census is a nephew and he started an apprenticeship with him. (his mother had died and believed he was shipped off to live with James. I will follow all your leads. The problem is following 3 Margaret Papple's. I can confirm from documents that James had 2 wives called Margaret McTaggart and Margaret Murray. Margaret McTaggart was mother to Margaret Papple Born 1840 and Margaret Murray was mother to James Papple born 1848. Margaret Papple 1840 lived with her father James Papple and Margaret Murray all of her life and when they retired to Saltcoats she went with them. She also ended up caring for her half brothers children when they were orphaned and they went to live with her in 1891.