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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 18 August 25 06:36 BST (UK) »
As TreeSpirit has indicated, references to Imperial German Military History is misleading here.
The German Army was reorganised under the Weimar Republic following the Treaty of Versailles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Cavalry_Division_(Reichswehr)


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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 18 August 25 14:36 BST (UK) »
As TreeSpirit has indicated, references to Imperial German Military History is misleading here.
The German Army was reorganised under the Weimar Republic following the Treaty of Versailles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Cavalry_Division_(Reichswehr)


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Many thanks again for your kind reply, and the link, I shall have a look in full when home, I have a small photograph of a man which came with the certificate, I shall post it when home, it may add a little light to the thread.

Frank.
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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 18 August 25 15:01 BST (UK) »
I noticed that their were quite a lot of guys with that name in WW1. Currently we don't know the name of his regiment during WW1 (if he was a soldier in WW1 of course), so do you know anything else about him  e.g. (approx) date of birth, birth place, parents etc

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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 18 August 25 18:32 BST (UK) »
Good evening, Tree Spirit, unfortunately I know nothing at all, when I got the certificate it was said it was a:

"Original German Ww1 Photo Plus WW1 Reference Letter 1922 Leutnant 15 Reiter Rgt" and it came with a photograph which is attached.

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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 18 August 25 21:05 BST (UK) »
The Epaulette on the photo appears to have 21 on it, so presumably not Reiter-Regiment 15.


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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 18 August 25 21:07 BST (UK) »
Great photo ...


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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 August 25 21:43 BST (UK) »
tonepad, (Tony), yes you are correct, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that the certificate has absolutely nothing to do with the photograph, and they are in no way connected.

Tree Spirit, isn't it just  :)

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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 25 August 25 22:51 BST (UK) »
Good evening, after a bit of research and discussion, I can confirm that the jacket the man is wearing is a "Ulanka" so he is definitely a cavalry man, with as already stated a number 2 on his shoulder board.

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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 31 August 25 18:31 BST (UK) »
Hello,

The uniform is not an Ulanka. It is an Überrock (Engl. undress frock coat). The arrangement of the buttons on an Ulanka was different; there was a large gap between the top button and the one below it. An Ulanka was buttoned down on both sides, unlike the Überrock, which was a double-breasted jacket in effect. The Überrock had a very distinctive stand-up collar.

Here is a good picture of the uniform https://spessart-militaria.de/produkt/preussen-ueberrock-und-schirmmuetze-fuer-einen-leutnant-im-11-artillerie-regiment/.

It was not limited to artillery and pioneer officerss. In fact, the young officer was probably a Leutnant in the Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 20, not 2.

This type of frock coat was removed from the range of uniforms with the revised regulations of 1915.
The double-breasted kleiner Rock became regulation dress at the time. That tunic, however, had a turn-down collar.

The picture is quite probably pre-war. Interestingly, it bears a stamp of the local tram company (Straßenbahn).

By way of clarification, Leutnant a.D. (außer Dienst) = retired Lieutenant.