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Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« on: Saturday 16 August 25 21:19 BST (UK) »
Good evening, I have in my possesion a certificate issued by the German ministry of Education Army Command dated 12th April 1922.
The subject is in regard to a man being authorised to wear his uniform from his previous unit and is signed by:
Dr Gessler, Defence Minister
Von Seeckt, Chief of Army Command.

The man in question is named A D Groth Lieutenant (Retired ), and his last Regiment was the 15th Cavalry Regiment, is it possible to find out anything about him, I know its a big ask, but any help as always would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks, and as always my very best regards.
Frank.
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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 August 25 06:21 BST (UK) »
There seems to be at least three 15th cavalry regiments (Dragoons, Hussars and Uhlans)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Imperial_German_cavalry_regiments

What is the actual German Text on the certificate?


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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 August 25 08:38 BST (UK) »
With that date it is likely he served in the Great War - I suggest you post a query on their website

https://www.greatwarforum.org/

Lots of very helpful people on there.

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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 August 25 11:00 BST (UK) »
I would start here: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Germany_Military_Records
And to add to the link which tonepad provided, this link shows where the various German regiments were based in peacetime: Imperial Cavalry Regiments: Prussia, Saxony and Württemberg
Also, this collection on Ancestry may be helpful: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1631/


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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 August 25 13:20 BST (UK) »
Hi, thank you all, for your very kind replies and for providing the links, I will follow all of your advice and see what I can find.

tonepad, the text on the document is as follows.

Once again my thanks to you all
Frank.
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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 August 25 16:45 BST (UK) »
The man in question is named A D Groth Lieutenant (Retired )

So his name is actually a.D. ("außer Dienst") Heinrich Groth ...

There seems to be an address in pencil on the first image ... hard to decipher, but could the place name be "Münster"? Unfortunately there are a few towns with that name, but a possibilty is "Münster" in Westfalen where Paderborn is located.

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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 August 25 20:47 BST (UK) »
Tree Spirit, thank you so much for that information, following the links from tonepad and  Andy J2022 I put a search in for Heinrich Groth and one possibility is:

NAME:   Heinrich Groth
BIRTH DATE:   16 Mär 1892 (16 Mar 1892)
BIRTH PLACE:   Techelsdorf Kiel
COMBAT ARM:   Kavallerie
TYPE OF UNIT:   Ersatz-Kavallerie-Formationen
UNIT:   Ersatz-Eskadron 6. bayer. Chevauleger-Regt (Standort Bayreuth)

found on WWI Personnel Rosters 1914 - 1918.

Regards
Frank.
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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 August 25 21:09 BST (UK) »

2 Things

1 - There is no guarantee that Heinrich took part in WW1.

2 - If he did take part in WW1, he would not have been in the "Reiter-Regiment 15" because it was established in the spring of 1920 (and stationed in Paderborn and Munster):
https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Kavallerieregimenter/KavR15.htm

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Re: Anyone up for a challenge with Imperial German Military History?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 August 25 21:21 BST (UK) »

2 Things

1 - There is no guarantee that Heinrich took part in WW1.

2 - If he did take part in WW1, he would not have been in the "Reiter-Regiment 15" because it was established in the spring of 1920 (and stationed in Paderborn and Munster):
https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Kavallerieregimenter/KavR15.htm

Thank you, every day a learning day, onwards and upwards  :)
Frank.
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