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Winchester Close, Elgin
« on: Thursday 14 August 25 09:12 BST (UK) »
Hi folks,

After finding a flaw in my tree (right name; wrong person!) I discovered a few more rellies in Elgin - I moved to Moray with work in 1992 and was delighted to find that a significant chunk of my family are originally from here!

I've found rellies in the 1881 Census John Murray (Plasterer) and family who lived in Winchesters Close in Elgin - interestingly (at least for me!) John, his wife Jessie, and their 2 infant children are buried in Elgin Cathedral cemetery- quite close to 2 of his uncles and their respective families.

Anyway, enough of my family tree! The point of this post is that, even with Mary Byatt’s Elgin: The story of the High Street and Closes, I can't find anything pointing as to where Winchesters Close might be.  I suspect that the name reflects Bishop Winchester rather than the place.

Any clues?

Yours in anticipation,

Roxy
Roxburgh/Rock/O'Rouk - Edinburgh/Glasgow/Australia
Slora/Slorach - Edinburgh/Aberdeen/Moray
Roberts/Robert - Edinburgh/Torphichen
Cochrane - Edinburgh
Johnston - Shetland/Australia
Davison - Sunderland
Curtis - Sunderland/Norfolk
Shirran - Aberdeenshire/Edinburgh
Rettie - Aberdeenshire
Leng - Sunderland
Lay - Sunderland
Rogers/Rodgers - Sunderland
Murray - Elgin

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Re: Winchester Close, Elgin
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 August 25 09:32 BST (UK) »
Is the address taken from the transcription or have you viewed the actual 1881 image?  The transcription says WinchesterS  Close as does your post

Viewing the image may show other road names nearby
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Re: Winchester Close, Elgin
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 August 25 10:30 BST (UK) »
It’s Winchesters Close.  I have the Census details from SP.  I’m having trouble replying to this thread and even more trouble uploading the image!

Good shout re neighbouring streets.

Roxy
Roxburgh/Rock/O'Rouk - Edinburgh/Glasgow/Australia
Slora/Slorach - Edinburgh/Aberdeen/Moray
Roberts/Robert - Edinburgh/Torphichen
Cochrane - Edinburgh
Johnston - Shetland/Australia
Davison - Sunderland
Curtis - Sunderland/Norfolk
Shirran - Aberdeenshire/Edinburgh
Rettie - Aberdeenshire
Leng - Sunderland
Lay - Sunderland
Rogers/Rodgers - Sunderland
Murray - Elgin

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Re: Winchester Close, Elgin
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 August 25 10:31 BST (UK) »
Only way I could get this to post.

Roxy
Roxburgh/Rock/O'Rouk - Edinburgh/Glasgow/Australia
Slora/Slorach - Edinburgh/Aberdeen/Moray
Roberts/Robert - Edinburgh/Torphichen
Cochrane - Edinburgh
Johnston - Shetland/Australia
Davison - Sunderland
Curtis - Sunderland/Norfolk
Shirran - Aberdeenshire/Edinburgh
Rettie - Aberdeenshire
Leng - Sunderland
Lay - Sunderland
Rogers/Rodgers - Sunderland
Murray - Elgin


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Re: Winchester Close, Elgin
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 August 25 10:38 BST (UK) »
Are all others entries on the 1881 image shown as Winchester(s) Close or is any other address shown
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Re: Winchester Close, Elgin
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 August 25 11:12 BST (UK) »
The next addresses are on the High Street: 228 to 220 High Street!

Thanks! 😉

Roxy
Roxburgh/Rock/O'Rouk - Edinburgh/Glasgow/Australia
Slora/Slorach - Edinburgh/Aberdeen/Moray
Roberts/Robert - Edinburgh/Torphichen
Cochrane - Edinburgh
Johnston - Shetland/Australia
Davison - Sunderland
Curtis - Sunderland/Norfolk
Shirran - Aberdeenshire/Edinburgh
Rettie - Aberdeenshire
Leng - Sunderland
Lay - Sunderland
Rogers/Rodgers - Sunderland
Murray - Elgin

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Re: Winchester Close, Elgin
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 August 25 13:30 BST (UK) »
Suggest you go to Elgin Library and take out the microfilm of the 1881 census. 'Walk' the whole of the enumeration district containing Winchester(s) Close, noting all the other addresses in order, and you should end up with a pretty good idea of where it was.
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Re: Winchester Close, Elgin
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 14 August 25 15:09 BST (UK) »
Have a look at this map from 1822

https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400028

High Street runs east-west.  Locate the G of High Street and then look slightly to the right near the building which appears to stick out into the street further than the other frontages.  Below that is marked "Mr Winchester" - perhaps this might be Winchesters Close.

This map is 1838:

https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400946

You will find the same location just below and slightly left of the I in High Street and it is marked "Winster"

Both of the above are close to the 200 High Street which seems to appear on the enumerator's walk close to the location you seek.

Looking at a modern map and Google StreetView, there is a wynd which runs alongside No 214 High Street ( the driving school) through to Thunderton Place.

Nell
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Re: Winchester Close, Elgin
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 August 25 15:39 BST (UK) »
Cheers, Nell!

That’s great. Thanks.

Roxy
Roxburgh/Rock/O'Rouk - Edinburgh/Glasgow/Australia
Slora/Slorach - Edinburgh/Aberdeen/Moray
Roberts/Robert - Edinburgh/Torphichen
Cochrane - Edinburgh
Johnston - Shetland/Australia
Davison - Sunderland
Curtis - Sunderland/Norfolk
Shirran - Aberdeenshire/Edinburgh
Rettie - Aberdeenshire
Leng - Sunderland
Lay - Sunderland
Rogers/Rodgers - Sunderland
Murray - Elgin