Author Topic: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate  (Read 814 times)

Offline Zaphod99

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 450
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 12 August 25 23:08 BST (UK) »
Not in this case.

Zaph
 
Is there any possibility that the biological father's surname was the same as the mother's middle name, or would that be too much of a wild coincidence?

Offline LizzieL

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,185
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 07:48 »
Could it have been a genuine mistake, and she misunderstood the registrar's question? She was only a teenager after all.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

Offline Biggles50

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,511
    • View Profile
Re: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 07:51 »
I only had the short form Birth Certificate which only shows my given own names.

Then after a DNA test things did not look right with the Matches that I had, where I found the probability that Dad was not my Biological Father to be highly likely.  Two further tests of other people confirmed that my Mother must have had a liaison with the person who was my Biological Father.

I then applied for my GRO Birth Certificate and Dad (who will always be Dad) is listed as my Father.

Now I am left wondering did Dad know he was not my Father?  Did Mum know?  Did my Biological Father know?

There was never any clues for me to pick up on whist growing up and during their lifetimes.

I look like my Biological Father, yet I also look like my Maternal Grandfather and despite my Brother and I looking different it was always put down as him taking after Dad’s side of the family and me after Mum’s.

There is more!

In the family line that I thought was mine there is, Great Grandmother, her Father is not listed on her Birth Certificate, yet on her Marriage Certificate her deceased Grandfather is listed as her Father.

My Biological Grandfather’s Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates are all in error!  He was either the product of a liaison and the father listed on his Birth Certificate was not his Biological Father or he was adopted by the couple who registered him and raised him as their own.  I have not found DNA matches who link to his Biological Mother’s line yet but I have DNA matches to and beyond my Biological Great Grandfather. 

DNA again proves that Certificates can be factually incorrect and hence why now I distrust Birth and Marriage Certificates.

Offline jaywit

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,486
  • I will find them wherever they are hiding
    • View Profile
Re: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 08:30 »
I have discovered through DNA that my uncle fathered 3 children whilst he was married to my aunt ( that is 3 who have done DNA tests I wonder if there are more )

I have been able to work out all the women were married and I suspect they all worked for the large employer my uncle worked for.

I wonder what is on the birth certificates for the father? I suspect the women's husband is named as the father.
Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Steel Byfield Northants,  Rogers Northants,  Wheeler Oxon,  Roberts Oxon,  Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants,  Maycock Northants,  Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.

UK Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Online KGarrad

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 26,950
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 09:09 »
I wonder what is on the birth certificates for the father? I suspect the women's husband is named as the father.

Firstly, the registration process is informant led.
The Registrar writes down what he is told by the informant.

Secondly, when a married woman registers a birth, it is assumed that her husband is the father.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

Offline jaywit

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,486
  • I will find them wherever they are hiding
    • View Profile
Re: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 09:16 »
I wonder what is on the birth certificates for the father? I suspect the women's husband is named as the father.

Firstly, the registration process is informant led.
The Registrar writes down what he is told by the informant.

Secondly, when a married woman registers a birth, it is assumed that her husband is the father.

Yes I know that, it is obvious he is the father as my legitimate cousin ( his son ) matches with them and they were all living in the same city.
Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Steel Byfield Northants,  Rogers Northants,  Wheeler Oxon,  Roberts Oxon,  Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants,  Maycock Northants,  Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.

UK Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline AntonyMMM

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,422
  • Researcher (retired) and former Deputy Registrar
    • View Profile
Re: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 09:41 »
Secondly, when a married woman registers a birth, it is assumed that her husband is the father.

It isn't just assumed. Under common law there is a presumption of paternity within a marriage which is why a married woman is allowed to name her husband as the father without him being present, but if she does so knowing that to be false (or impossible) she would be committing perjury. Happened a lot though !

But irrelevant to the original question - the OP needs to get a copy of the entry- trying to guess from the index alone is pointless.

Online Glen in Tinsel Kni

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,474
  • Scottish Borders
    • View Profile
Re: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 14:24 »
In the 1960's my married mother had an affair and fell pregnant with me. It's impossible to tell from the index entry alone as it looks  like I'm a child of a married couple though the cert shows she registered my birth knowing her husband was not the father so didn't name him. As my father didn't give his permission to be named that section is blank on my certificate.

The certs and dna show my parents and a grandparent are NPE births, it's pretty much impossible to prove the details of the fathers were knowingly falsified at the time of registration given the timeframe (1890-1924). 



Offline Galium

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,146
    • View Profile
Re: Knowingly lying on a birth certificate
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 15:11 »
...she specified her rather unusual middle name as the mother's maiden name... 



Are you saying that the birth was registered using only the mother's middle name as a surname, rather than her actual surname? How would that spare anyone's blushes?

Or do you mean that the index is showing a mother's maiden name as well as the surname the birth is indexed by?  In which case  the birth has been registered as if the child was born to a married couple
and there will be father's details, albeit (probably) with the wrong surname.
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk