Can't find grandfather's history anywhere

[Pburkat89]

Does the certificate show the place of birth?

[heywood]

No.
It gives the names of the parties; their status -single, married etc; occupations; residences; fathers’ names and occupations.
The witness names can be helpful too.

The birth of the child from the Thomas/Burkat marriage is Burkat which implies that would be Nelly’s birth surname so that is an added interest.

[heywood]

Presumably he is the brother to the one you found the other day, SS.

I wish we could find Nelly as easily.

the one I found the other day was born surname Thomas, mmn Burkat.

SS

I just realised that SS and crossed through my post - scrolled down and here you are!
Apologies.

[LizzieL]

1953 census Nellie D Thomas and Donald D Thomas living at 13 Chapel Farm Terrace, Abercarn. Could just be another couple with similar names. Abercarn was mentioned before wasn't it.?

[PatLac]

Google translation...

"After this attack, the flag in the building was lowered and burned, and a swastika was hung in its place. After that day, the building was used to meet the housing needs of SA forces. The seizure of all trade union buildings now meant the end of the unions and the socialist labor movement, in and around Siegen. Meanwhile, Fritz Fries, one of the labor leaders, was secretly murdered in Nazi torture houses.

At the local parliamentary meeting held in the Municipality of Siegen on May 8 [1933], the seats of other representatives were empty, except for the Nazis.

The political organs and unions of the labor movement were thus destroyed around Siegen, Wittgenstein and Olpe."

https://yenihayat.de/2-mayis-1933-siegen-wittgenstein-ve-olpe-cevresinde-isci-hareketi-ve-sendikalarin-yok-edilisi-2/

IF the Burkat family was related to the Fries family, could this be the reason why they had to flee from Germany?

On the other hand, what did Bertha's status of "non-refugee" mean?

[UKgirl]

Forgive me for stating the obvious – that is, obvious to some, but perhaps not to others? I can still remember my own complete surprise when I found out that the Nellie/Nelly in my own family was actually an “Eleanor”. And of course, an “Eleanor” can also become an “Ellen”.

Something to bear in mind when searching for an elusive Nelly/Nellie?
This Topic mentions the name “Eleanor” twice:

Heywood:
1911 Census August F. with wife & children.
The daughter though is Eleanor….but marries elsewhere – not Nelly
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softly softly:
Fritz/Frederick Fries was registered with surname Frier in 1896. This was corrected in 1929 and re-registered as Frederick Fries. Also at the same time his sister Eleanor Maud was re-registered., both with mmn Harrison.
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Perhaps everyone except for me has always been aware of this, but just thought that I would point it out in case it somehow helps.

UKgirl

[PatLac]

Bertha Dorothy and not Eleanor had the Burkat surname, but maybe he could have been raised by Eleanor or her sister Elsie Isobel (aka Nell, Nellie)?

Did Eleanor die in the UK or did she go back to Germany? I can see her in East Sussex until 1963.

[heywood]

Thanks UKgirl - good point. Those of us of a certain age, with aunties and neighbours called Nelly are with you. 😉

I thought she had married in 1955 but if she is in East Sussex in 1963, perhaps not, PatLac.

If I recall, she is Elsie in 1921 with her mother, Martha.
Bertha’s daughter /sister was also Elsie so it is all a bit of a muddle.

I have wondered if Eleanor was Nelly and half sister to the younger Bertha but then why have the surname Burkat and am now confused.
It’s the heat!

[KGarrad]

1953 census Nellie D Thomas and Donald D Thomas living at 13 Chapel Farm Terrace, Abercarn. Could just be another couple with similar names. Abercarn was mentioned before wasn't it.?

There was a census in 1953?