Can't find grandfather's history anywhere

[heywood]

Not sure if this has been posted - confused with the various references to Bertha

Baptisms St Thomas, Bethnal Green
2nd December 1915
Birth 21st January 1908
Bertha Dorothy

Same date
Birth 24th July 1910
Elsie Isabella

Parents Frederick August and Martha Fries, 14 Henrietta Street. His occupation - chef.

[softly softly]

Info only

Marriages Sep 1949   

Burkat    Nelly    Thomas    Caerleon    8c   491    
Thomas    Donald D H    Burkat    Caerleon    8c   491    

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THOMAS, DONALD  DAVID HENRY    1927 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q4/2010 in NEWPORT  (8361A)  Reg 1A010  Entry Number 504086739

SS

Nelly's husband born in 1927, unless Nelly was very much older, she couldn't be Theodore's mother (b 1933)

Exactly my thoughts about age, Theodore 1933, so Nelly aged min 16=1917, if she married Donald Thomas and son born 1950 she is aged approx 33.

SS

[LizzieL]

Not sure if this has been posted - confused with the various references to Bertha

Baptisms St Thomas, Bethnal Green
2nd December 1915
Birth 21st January 1908
Bertha Dorothy

Same date
Birth 24th July 1910
Elsie Isabella

Parents Frederick August and Martha Fries, 14 Henrietta Street. His occupation - chef.

Well found
Now we have Mr Fries name

[LizzieL]

Could be a red herring but
1881 piece number 453, Folio 34, Page 2

ADDED
Not this one, he was Frederick Christian, married Florence Ashdown and turned into a hairdresser

[heywood]

It is more confusing
1911 has August F, the chef, with wife Martha and children - not Bertha and Elsie.

We are investing a lot of time in researching Bertha, yet we do not know how or if she is connected to Nelly.

The daughter though is Eleanor …but marries elsewhere - not Nelly.

[LizzieL]

He's on the 1901 census with Martha and children, still a chef, b Dusseldorf, listed as Fritz

[LizzieL]

It is more confusing
1911 has August F, the chef, with wife Martha and children - not Bertha and Elsie.

We are investing a lot of time in researching Bertha, yet we do not know how or if she is connected to Nelly.

The daughter though is Eleanor …but marries elsewhere - not Nelly.

There's a birth of a Nelly Fries reg Islington 1899 mmn Hahse

[heywood]

Until Pburkat comes back and decides what to do re the certificates (sorry to mention that again) we are possibly wasting our time.
It is intriguing though. 😉

[Pburkat89]

Until Pburkat comes back and decides what to do re the certificates (sorry to mention that again) we are possibly wasting our time.
It is intriguing though. 😉

Hi everyone!

My apologies, I now live in western Australia, my grandfather theordore died when I was 7 and I only met him 3 times, after that I along with my dad never met that side of the family again

I cannot offer any insight to any other family member, meaning Nelly or Bertha, the Welsh of that time were fierce and my dad said you never dared ask their age or history, he didn't even know how old his father was.

It is only when theodore died and this german/Austrian birth certificate came out of the closet (literally) along with a German military helmet that we had any idea of the history.

My Nan paying a visit to Germany was so out of the norm it's not funny, this woman never ever left Wales, a holiday to her was 5 miles up the road and she never disclosed why she went.

Unfortunately she took the secrets to the grave to protect the family.

Can you receive these certificates online if I ordered them?