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Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« on: Saturday 09 August 25 16:52 BST (UK) »
My family history is very intriguing and I keep on turning up blanks.

Its a long story but I'll try keep it simple.

My dad who passed recently was Michael Burkat, his father was Theodore Arno or Arnold Burkat.
When Theodore passed away, a German or Austrian birth certificate was found, we don't know what was on it exactly but our surname Burkat wasn't there, it was something else

Burkat is a made up name apparently.
My dad's mum in her later years said that she would not tell us the name as to protect the family..
She never ever left Wales, she was devout to it, yet when Theodore died, she paid a visit to Germany, something she had never done before.

She then told the story of how Theodore was smuggled out of Europe with his brother Otto dressed as young girls, apparently their mother Nell or Nelly had to get them out as she had relations with a high ranking military official.
They came to the UK and Theodore lived in Wales and married J Sykes, he died in 1997

That's all we know about the history but our surname Burkat is false apparently and I'd love to know more.

Can anyone begin to find his history as I turn up a blank!

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Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 August 25 14:31 BST (UK) »
The name Burkat appears to be Polish in origin.

Theodore married in 1958 - do you have this marriage certificate?

Also a possible for his mother, Nelly Burkat married Donald D H Thomas in 1949 - do you have this marriage certificate (there was a child likely born to this relationship in 1950).
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Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 August 25 14:51 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat

Theodore died 1997 in Wales & his birthdate is given as 29.3.1933
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Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 August 25 15:06 BST (UK) »
The name Burkat appears to be Polish in origin.

Theodore married in 1958 - do you have this marriage certificate?

Also a possible for his mother, Nelly Burkat married Donald D H Thomas in 1949 - do you have this marriage certificate (there was a child likely born to this relationship in 1950).

We have no certificates at all, they were all taken when my grandfather died.

The Burkat surname was not on his birth certificate and it was not a UK certificate.

We're trying to work out what his surname was, along with his mother's.


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Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 August 25 15:07 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat

Theodore died 1997 in Wales & his birthdate is given as 29.3.1933

Thank you 🙂

I'd love to know where he was born and who his father was, we do not know

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Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 August 25 15:14 BST (UK) »
The name Burkat appears to be Polish in origin.

Theodore married in 1958 - do you have this marriage certificate?

Also a possible for his mother, Nelly Burkat married Donald D H Thomas in 1949 - do you have this marriage certificate (there was a child likely born to this relationship in 1950).

There was another Burkat marriage in the same reg district in 1945 - Bertha D who died as Bertha Dorothy Woodhouse in 1962.  Could she also be related  :-\   Her address on the probate index was 9 Llanfrach Road, Abercarn.  She was born c1908.

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What happened to Otto  :-\
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Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 August 25 15:41 BST (UK) »
The name Burkat appears to be Polish in origin.

Theodore married in 1958 - do you have this marriage certificate?

Also a possible for his mother, Nelly Burkat married Donald D H Thomas in 1949 - do you have this marriage certificate (there was a child likely born to this relationship in 1950).

There was another Burkat marriage in the same reg district in 1945 - Bertha D who died as Bertha Dorothy Woodhouse in 1962.  Could she also be related  :-\   Her address on the probate index was 9 Llanfrach Road, Abercarn.  She was born c1908.

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What happened to Otto  :-\

A Home Office File / Index held by The National Archives, Kew, in the section ... Internees at Liberty in UK for .... Berta Dorothy

Name: Dorothea Berta Burkat. Date of Birth: 21/01/1906. Place of Birth: London.

See Card for Year it looks like 1908, as previously mentioned By Rosie

HO 396/12/232

1939 to 1942

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14744035

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Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 August 25 15:49 BST (UK) »
This family were German it seems, Mark

Home Office Index, The National Archives, Kew

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14744035

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Re: Can't find grandfather's history anywhere
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 August 25 15:56 BST (UK) »
1939 register for Bertha D Burkat shows her as divorced & living in Battersea. B 21.1.08 but transcribed as 21.6.08 & as Bertha B
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