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Re: Cannot find father of Roger Rodger
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 00:14 »
There’s also this record

Roger Rogers
Criminal Admission Age 18
Occupation   Puddler
Criminal Charge   Larceny
Sentence   3
Criminal Admission Date   26 Jun 1860
Criminal Admission Place   Hampshire, England
Jail   Portsmouth Prison
Source Description   Portsmouth Prison, Hampshire: Registers of Prisoners
UK, Prison Commission Records, 1770-1951 - Image on Anc*y

Some info from record

Dates of Receptions in different prisons
Wakefield 21 July 1860 Portsmouth 23 April 1861

No relationship given under heading
Residence of convicts family or next or kin
Ann Rogers , Great Bridge Stafford

Wondering if this might be Ann Rogers and due to age of William could this be a second marriage for John Rogers, GRO birth indexes Benjamin, John &  Ann mmn OWEN
Possible deaths   Benjamin died 1864 age 11,  Ann died 1854 age  4

1861 c
John Rogers   43   Head
Ann Rogers   37   Wife
William Rogers   21   Son
Benjamin Rogers 7   Son
Ann Rogers   6   Daughter
John Rogers   4   Son
John Snr born West Brom & William born Worcester occupation iron moulders

Ann Rogers is a widow in 1871 and has another child Esther

Esther Rogers
Baptism 2 Apr 1865 Wednesbury, St John, Staffordshire
Religion   Anglican
Father   John Rogers, Moulder mother Ann

Wonder if this is Ann Owen bpt Wednesbury 1827 father William mother Esther
Ann is on 1841 census with her parents and siblings, William, Esther, Benjamin but she is not with them in 1851

















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Re: Cannot find father of Roger Rodgers
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 08:43 »
Roger looks to be in prison in 1861 (sentenced in 1860 for 3 years) so I think I need to find out where he was in 1851 when he was about 6 years old. He is not on the 1851 census for John Rodgers b 1819 and his wife Mary Ann Whitley who is a candidate for Rogers father. I think finding John's brother's wedding cert would help too as would finding Roger's birth cert. Thank you everybody for your help.

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Re: Cannot find father of Roger Rodgers
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 10:16 »
You would need to purchase that wedding certificate for John.
Marriage Jun qtr 1862 
Lord    Sarah Elizabeth       
Rodgers    John       
Rotherham    9c   522

The 522 number is in the higher section of marriages for that qtr in Rotherham so possibly Registry Office or Registrar attended so unlikely to be available to view online.

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GRO Index 1862 quarter 2, volume 9c, page 522:

Sorry, we cannot locate the church for this marriage. The entry is located between entries for Wicker Holy Trinity (RD: Sheffield) and Austerfield St Helena (RD: Doncaster).
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Re: Cannot find father of Roger Rodgers
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 11:16 »
His records have 2 different next of kin  :-\

Ann Rogers c1860
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01twy/

Mary Rogers Oct 1863.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fccc%2fpcom3%2f649%2f00580&parentid=tna%2fccc%2f2b%2fpcom3%2f01481805

I would have thought that if his father was still alive (or not invented  ::) ) he would be named as next of kin.
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Re: Cannot find father of Roger Rodgers
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 16:58 »
The wedding cert says his father is called John Rodgers who is a stock taker at an Iron Works. He appears on the 1871 census living with his brother John in Victoria Road Rawmarsh both working as puddlers in the iron industry. Roger is in and out of  various prisons including Wormwood Scrubs

If Roger was ever in Pentonville, there is a photo of him.
It seems he indulged in quite a lot of criminal activity, including as a youngster (newspapers)
He is supposed to have been 18 in 1860.

1871 census transcript
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/6450250bf493fdbe223cc38b

His birthplace there is generally transcribed as Dowles. There is a Dowles in Shropshire? Or any chance it was really meant to be Dowlais in Glamorgan?  :-\

It's possible he made up a fathers name or he had a step father called Rodgers.

Or he just may not have remembered his father's name. Could John and Roger have simply adopted the Rodgers name themselves, for whatever reason?

This may be desperation, but why not!
In Tipton in 1851 is a Sheen family, with the parents being Roger (labourer in iron works) and Ann. I think their ages are well out here.
Among the children are John, 15, born Bristol, and Roger, 10, born South Wales
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGG6-T6S

Likely in 1841 they are in Gelligaer, Glamorgan, not far from Merthyr, as Shane?
Rodger Shane, 30, Labourer, and family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7WS-XTR

No Roger junior, youngest is Margaret, 1, who may have died soon after :-\
John older here and born Ireland, but he just might be the Joannes Sheehan baptised in Bristol (Catholic), 27 May 1833 (image on ancestry)

What happened to them?
In an area with perhaps not that many Sheens or similar around, there is an Ann Sheen death registered in Dudley, Dec 1858. Age 61.
Could that be the wife of Roger, with her age out again? :-\
Ann Sheen burial at Christ Church, West Bromwich, 24 Oct 1858
Abode Great Bridge
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5d9e6439f493fd6e78c582ca

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Re: Cannot find father of Roger Rodgers
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 22:19 »
In Tipton in 1851 is a Sheen family

Living in Eagle Lane
Parish Tipton
Village of Great Bridge

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Re: Cannot find father of Roger Rodgers
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 23:10 »
Reply #4: "Crofts Chapel"

Note: marriage according to the Rites & Ceremonies of the Wesleyan Methodists.  This was later known as Talbot Lane Chapel.  It may be the marriage with a high page number in Reply #20 was at a Methodist Chapel, and baptisms also.


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Re: Cannot find father of Roger Rodgers
« Reply #25 on: Today at 08:40 »
Following on from jonwarn posts and in for a penny

Baptism 23rd April 1853 Franciscus Shee, parents Roger & Anna Mclecuddy  (transcript on FindMyPast)

Does Roger alternate christian names.

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