Mungo Haldane of Gleneagles

[dunvr]

Hi would it make sense Mungo Haldane 13th of Gleneagles who was baptised 10th Mar 1636 at Kilmadock Perthshire to have had a son named Mungo Haldane? There is not one recorded to him and his wife Ann Grant but that is due to lack of records. The couple had at least two sons John & Patrick Haldane born in the 1660s. You think there should be a son named Mungo as well?

My ancestor Mungo Haldane married 24th April 1692 to Janet Leishman at Auchterarder, Perth. He would be born 1660s or 1670s and would be a perfect candidate to be another son of Mungo Haldane and Ann Grant.

Problem is there does not seem to be a record to prove it. How likely is the link? My grandfather always suspected our Haldane line connected to the Gleneagles line.

Any thoughts?

[GR2]

You could try looking at the testament dative of Mungo Haldane of Gleneagles dated 11-2-1686, which is available on Scotland's People. However, being a testament dative and not a testament testamentar, it won't contain a latter will, but the executor confirmed might be said to act "in name and behalf" of the children, who might then be named.

Also, did your Mungo own any land? If so, any surviving sasine might mention his father's name.

[dunvr]

Thanks for the clue I will take a look and see if I can find that. Not sure if my Mungo owned land at all where would I even look for that?

[GR2]

If you find him described as "of" such and such a place in the records of his children's baptisms, it means he owned it. If it says he was "in" such and such a place, he was the tenant.

Another possibility is to look at the minutes of the kirk session and see if there are any references to him there.

[GR2]

Have a look through these and see if there is anything of use.

https://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrsonlinecatalogue/overview.aspx?st=1&tc=y&tl=n&tn=n&tp=n&k=mungo+haldane&ko=p&r=&ro=s&df=&dt=&di=y

[dunvr]

I can't decipher the place name on one of the baptisms of one of the daughters of Mungo, see attached its not saying of but there is a place name, also mentioned of Mains of Cardross? on other baptisms.

[dunvr]

I don't know if this is a clue it came up in the results you sent

Signature of the lands of Kippens granted to Mungo Haldane (Hadden, Haldan, Halden, Haldin).    16 Oct 1673

    Signature of the lands of Carbeth etc granted to John Haldane and Mungo Haldane (Hadden, Haldan, Halden, Haldin).    22 Apr 1708      

The baptism of another daughter Jannet Haddan in 1708 is done at Kippen.

The name Hadden is being used, also so Mungo died 1686 and lands are granted to his son John and a  Mungo Haldane, a brother?

[ColC]

I can't decipher the place name on one of the baptisms of one of the daughters of Mungo, see attached its not saying of but there is a place name, also mentioned of Mains of Cardross? on other baptisms.

You might find this of interest?

https://www.geograph.org.uk/article/Mains-of-Cardross-and-Castle-Hill

Colin

[Doreen Peacock]

Could they have had a Still born, or premature baby; unbaptised in kirk, chapel or church by official and therefore not given witness to his birth?  Or perhaps an unterior motive against naming a child by this title? Not satisfactory, but perhaps to be acknowledged if all other avenues are traced and no evidence found?  Sorry to dampen and dash your hopes of finding a link. Hope I'm wrong.... and you do find the missing link to your satisfaction.