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Offline gbuttery

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1939 register
« on: Wednesday 06 August 25 15:19 BST (UK) »
On the 1939 register why are some names blacked out with the message "This record is officially closed"?
I tried looking, but all I found was that this person may still have been alive when the register was published. But my grandmother and grandfather were also definately alive at the time and they are not blacked out.
The 1921 census shows an 'adopted ' daughter at their address. I am trying to find out what happened to her. Phyllis Farnell aged 1 yr 10mths in 1921

My grandparents are George Henry Farnell b. 1892 in Hull and my grandmother is Minnie Farnell b. 1889. There are two blacked out records under their names; one is likely to be my mother (Ruth Farnell b.1924 and my auntie Amy b.1928)) I just wondered if Phyllis was still at their address. I cannot find her anywhere.

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Re: 1939 register
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 06 August 25 15:26 BST (UK) »
People that are blacked are possibly still living.  They are automatically opened up when reaching 100 years old. 

FindMyPast has a female bn 1924 with the couple and one blacked out entry, Ancestry is not showing the 1924 entry
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Re: 1939 register
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 August 25 15:32 BST (UK) »
Phyllis is not listed as Farnell in 1921, presumably it is her birth surname that is listed have you looked under that for her.

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There is a person that could fit in 1939 in Hull with what I assume could be her birth surname  :-\
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Re: 1939 register
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 August 25 15:38 BST (UK) »
It’s because of the strict rules of Data Protection.They can be opened before the 100 year cut of if you know they are dead and can provide a death certificate. They are gradually working their way through and opening all of those people who would now be over 100 yeas oldest it’s a slow job.
 FindmyPast update on a  regular basis, Ancestry are much slower so it depends on which site you are l looking at.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.


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Re: 1939 register
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 August 25 15:49 BST (UK) »
On the 1939 register why are some names blacked out with the message "This record is officially closed"?
I tried looking, but all I found was that this person may still have been alive when the register was published. But my grandmother and grandfather were also definately alive at the time and they are not blacked out.


I think that means when the register was released and put online which was probably after George and Minnie had died
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Re: 1939 register
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 August 25 16:48 BST (UK) »
FindmyPast first released the 1939;Register in October 2015.

The Register  originally intended for the Issue of Identity Cards and Ration Books in the war. It was later used as a basis of information when the National Health Service began in 1948. It was gradually updated  in part until the early 1990s that is why you can find some younger people and children opened before the 100 year cutoff. But it was hit and miss if a death was notified to the Register so there is a certain amount of inconsistency
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: 1939 register
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 August 25 17:06 BST (UK) »
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Phyllis Farnell aged 1 yr 10mths in 1921

In the 1921 census she's listed as Phyllis Taylor
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Re: 1939 register
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 06 August 25 17:17 BST (UK) »
In the 1939 Register there is a Phyllis Taylor (name changed later to Martin) working as a domestic servant at 44 Goodwin Street in Hull. The birth date (August 1919) is about right. Have you ruled her out?
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Re: 1939 register
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 06 August 25 17:30 BST (UK) »
ShaunJ, is she listed as Taylor in the image of the 1921 Census? Because the transcription on Ancestry says Phyllis Farnell.