Harmer Rogers c1753

[petey22]

Whilst enjoying a glass of glen Scotia I got to thinking and mulled over John Harmer, surgeon of Norwich, finally having noted his demise in 1755 when a thought occurred to my somewhat muzzy brain: If he left all his Worldly possessions to his friend and colleague Joseph Rogers then he had no offspring to leave everything to and his wife must have passed before he did.
On a previous post it was discovered that John Harmer and the father of Joseph Rogers (also Joseph Rogers (dob unknown) married to two sisters:
Joseph Rogers married Mary Cross 1724 St Giles in the field, London, and
John Harmer married Catherine Cross 1717 St Bennet, Paul's Wharf, London.
I actually discovered a couple named Cross who had 2 daughters, Mary and Catherine,,, anyway, still busy with that and getting back to the point, on searching there was only one Catherine Harmer who died, St Andrew, Norwich, Norfolk, buried 15-02-1750. Looking at the document it should be 1751. Unfortunately it doesn't 'state wife of', ' age'  or anthing to tie it all together but coincidence?

[coombs]

Where Harmer Rogers born c1753 fits in is still a mystery. I wonder if he was adopted, and/or if he was a secret child of John Harmer by a dalliance he had with a woman and the Rogers family agreed to take Harmer on as their child. The notable absence of a baptism for Harmer Rogers is why him fitting in to the family is a mystery.

[amondg]

Is Joseph Rogers who married Elizabeth Rippingale 1750 the son of Joseph who married Mary Cross 1724 ?

If so, knowing that his father's friend had no children and hopeful of an inheritance is his son John is actually John Harmer Rogers.

Have you found a will of Joseph Rogers to possibly give some credence to this.  You have already found out that they possibly married sisters.

[petey22]

As Harmer left all to Joseph Rogers in his will, it accrued to me that he must have had no children but also that his wife Catherine must have died before his own demise.
On searching : Catherine Harmer, buried 15-02-1751, St. Andrew, Norwich, Norfolk 

Unfortunately Harmer's will and notification in the newspapers do not give an age, so still cant pin down when or where he was born. I have 10 possible candidates born in Norfolk alone 

@ Coombs, Indeed, a very plausible theory. Unfortunately besides the YOB I have found no other clues that John is John Harmer Rogers 
I shall look for the will ,,,,, sometimes I get lucky

[coombs]

It can be frustrating when you are trying to find some definite evidence but as yet nothing, then again that is what genealogy is about, trying to find any links.

I am also wondering if John Rogers born 1753 is Harmer himself.

[jonwarrn]

Was John named after John Harmer?
Could John later have been called Harmer, rather than John?

Likewise, was Joseph's daughter Catherine named after his aunt Catherine Harmer?

Who was John Harmer?
Manorial records may perhaps help to work it out, i.e.
Nicholas Harmer (married Frances) / William Harmer (brother) / Diana Harmer (sister, spinster) / Joseph Rogers (surgeon)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1PQ-D5Q?view=fullText&keywords=Harmer&lang=en&groupId=

[petey22]

John Harmer and Joseph Rogers being both surgeons would have surely studied somewhere, possibly together and possibly where and when they met.
Would they have had induction papers? would there be records at where they studied that may mention such things as DOB, parents names and the like 

[jonwarrn]

So Nicholas, Diana and William Harmer were siblings.
I think they had a brother John, but I'm not sure if he died fairly young or not. Possibly.
Their father's will, I haven't read it.
https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/harmer-william-gentleman-of-swafield

Luckily it is NCC, so on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSND-1SVK-L?view=fullText&keywords=Harmer&lang=en&groupId=

[jonwarrn]

John Harmer and Joseph Rogers being both surgeons would have surely studied somewhere, possibly together and possibly where and when they met.

Remember that John Harmer was Joseph's uncle by marriage.
He married before Joseph was born.