Harmer Rogers c1753

[petey22]

dear all,
I am searching for the birth/ christening of Harmer Rogers, born around 1753, somewhere in Norfolk. I have searched Ancestry and FamilySearch without success.
His parents are: Joseph Rogers and Elizabeth Rippingale, married 16-08-1750, Heigham, Norfolk.
possible sister: Catherine Rogers 26-08-1752, St Andrew, Norwich, Norfolk.
He marries to Elizabeth Quinton or Quintin (dob unknown) 28-10-1771 at Tibbenham, Norfolk.

I have the year of birth from an the death/ burial entry:
burial 28-01-1802 at Woodford, Essex, aged 49, thus 1802 - 49 = 1753 

any help much appreciated 

[Paco]

I found Catherine that you mentioned (baptism 26/08/1752), although the record I found, had her with a K not a C and it was an original hand-written record, with Father Joseph and Mother Elizabeth. I also found on Dustydocs another possible sister Susanna Elizabeth Rogers, born to Joseph and Elizabeth Rogers (baptism 27/8/1760 Norfolk), so another possible. I guess you have probably already found a daughter for Harmer and Elizabeth.
Regards.

[ColC]

These transcriptions on Freereg, there may be more but no Harmer

Norwich : St Andrew : Parish Register

Katherine ROGERS Born 25 Aug 1752  Baptism 26 Aug 1752

John ROGERS Born 29 Oct 1753 Baptism 5 Nov 1753

Richard ROGERS Born 03 Oct 1754 Baptism 8 Oct 1754

Susanna ROGERS Born 27 Aug 1760 Baptism 27 Aug 1760
See Also Sister Elizabeth Baptised At Same Time

Elizabeth ROGERS Born 27 Aug 1760 Baptism 27 Aug 1760
See Also Sister Susanna Baptised At Same Time

Colin

[coombs]

I have looked for Harmer's baptism as well to no avail yet. I even checked under his mother's name in case he was baptised before she married. I also checked any Harmer forename (and variants) baptisms across Norfolk 1745-1760 and no likely baptism under Rogers or Rippingale variants.

[ColC]

Son of Harmer & Elizabeth.
Harmer ROGERS Born 1 Aug 1773 Baptism 4 Oct 1773
Norwich : St Peter Mancroft : Parish Register

No luck with Harmer Rogers senior but below might be worth researching?

It may just be coincidence, or was there some family contact?

Parents Jonah & Margaret Springfield, two children below

Harmer SPRINGFIELD Baptism 29 Sep 1758
Norwich : St George Colegate : Parish Register

Jonah SPRINGFIELD Baptism 23 Jan 1750/1
Norwich : St George Colegate : Parish Register

Jonas SPRINGFIELD to Margaret HOWTON
Marriage 9 Jun 1745
Norwich : St Simon and St Jude : Parish Register

Margaret SPRINGFIELD wife of Jonas
Burial 30 Nov 1783
Norwich : St Simon and St Jude : Parish Register

Jonas SPRINGFIELD Burial 19 Dec 1778 Age 64
Norwich : St Peter Hungate : Parish Register

Colin

[jonwarrn]

Really, if accurate, an age of 49 on burial in January 1802 would make it more likely that he was born in 1752. But that would clash with Katherine born 25 August 1752. Unless they were twins and Harmer wasn't baptised with her.

Or he could have been in his 49th year perhaps.

The Harmer name comes from John Harmer, a surgeon in Norwich, like Joseph. Mr Harmer's wife was Joseph's aunt.
John Harmer's very brief will, dated 3 September 1753, leaves everything to Joseph Rogers, who is also named as executor.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS2G-676P-V?view=fullText&keywords=Joseph%20Rogers%2CJohn%20Harmer&lang=en&groupId=

John Harmer was buried at Norwich St Andrew, 21 Dec 1755
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/68485d8b86557454051c47b3

Is Joseph's son John accounted for?

Norwich : St Andrew : Parish Register
John ROGERS Born 29 Oct 1753 Baptism 5 Nov 1753

Was John named after John Harmer?
Could John later have been called Harmer, rather than John?

He would have been eighteen when he married in 1771, very young for those days (but he was obviously young anyway!)

[amondg]

St Giles burials Harmer Rogers 24 November 1773 infant.

[amondg]

Elizabeth Rogers nee Quinton is buried 17 February 1803 at Woodford age 49  -born circa 1755

[petey22]

dear all,
thanks for your efforts and all the information, I shall work my way through everything 

@ ColC
I have now also checked for other possible offspring of Joseph and Elizabeth:
i. Elizabeth Rogers, bap 19-05-1751, Old Meeting (Independent) Norwich
ii. Katherine Rogers, bap 16-08-1752, St Andrew, Norwich
iii. John Rogers, bap 05-11-1753, St Andrew, Norwich
iv. Richard Rogers, bap 08-10-1754, St Andrew, Norwich
v. Diana Anna Rogers, bap 30-11-1755, St Giles, Norwich
vi. Joseph Rogers, bap 16-01-1756/7, St Giles, Norwich
vii. Susanna Elizabeth Rogers, bap 27-08-1760, St Andrew, Norwich
  ( Susanna Elizabeth Rogers, burial 30-08-1760, St Andrew, Norwich)

i. Curious that the baptism takes place in an Old meeting house (Independent) .The actual baptism entry reads: ' Elizabeth daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth Rogers (of Wrentham) bap 19-05-1753. Wrentham being just accoss the border in Suffolk 

v and vi. Not so sure, why the sudden move to another Church? St. Anrew doesnt look very far from St. Giles.

vii. I believe that Susanna and Elizabeth are one daughter with a double name, at least it looks that way on the actual baptism register with what looks like an Elizabeth being added between and above Susanna Rogers with an upside down v below between and below.

@ jonwarrn
I like the 'John Harmer' name change theory. I have been nursing the idea that maybe Harmer Rogers was adopted and had something to do with the departed John Harmer, but was not very far with that. Anyway, as you say, the clue would be to see if 'John Harmer' is accounted for ! As of yet I have not looked at any of the other possible offspring of Joseph and Elizabeth, excepting Susanna Elizabeth, who didnt live for long.
Think I need to look at John Harmers family and try to put that together too 

@Paco
Thanks for the Dusty Docs reference, I do not know this site and hope to make good use of it in the future once I get the hang of it 

@amondg
I had searched for Elizabeth Quintin or Quinton and had found only 2 candidates:
i. Elizabeth Quintin: parents Thomas and Margaret, baptised 29-01-1748, St Stephen, Norwich
ii. Elizabeth Quinton: parents John and Mary, baptised 15-09-1751, St Benedict, Norwich
burial Elizabeth Quinton, 25-08-1751? St Benedict, Norfolk 
This was a far as I got, so the burial of ' Elizabeth Rogers nee Quinton is buried 17 February 1803 at Woodford age 49  -born circa 1755'  Is something worth looking into with regard her origins