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Offline wolfman99

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What is a "deal"?
« on: Yesterday at 02:10 »
My 5 x great grandfather Thomas Brown was recorded into Newgate Prison in 1794. He was charged with what looks like "Stealing Deals" - the print is pretty vague.

Does anyone know what that means in today's terms?

Thanks

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Re: What is a "deal"?
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 03:10 »
Can you attach a snip of the writing so that we can see? Or a date of the trial so we can look at it?

I can see a Thomas BROWN committed to Newgate for stealing 16 shillings in silver from Richard SPICER - 29 Sept 1794.
   Tuesday,  Sept. 30, 1794
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Re: What is a "deal"?
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 03:13 »
I wonder if it relates to stealing soft wood.   I noticed a newspaper report 23 Oct 1869 Watford Observer

Stealing Deals at Watford

George Watford boatman of Doddington Leicester, was charged with stealing six deal planks value 30s ....


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Re: What is a "deal"?
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 03:24 »
Looking in newspapers I can see quite a few references to "stealing deals" from around 1750 onwards. Sounds right that it may be wood - some refer to "stealing Deals from on board a Lighter ..."; "stealing deals out of the sea"; "stealing deals from the timberyard"; "stealing deals from the raff yard"; etc.


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Re: What is a "deal"?
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 03:27 »
deal noun (WOOD)

[ U ]
the pale, soft wood of a pine or fir tree, used especially for making furniture:

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Re: What is a "deal"?
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 03:30 »
Also:
" ‘Deals’ were timber suitable for making boards, imported into east-coast ports from the Baltic, sometimes called Prussian deals. "
https://yorkshiredictionary.york.ac.uk/words/deal

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Re: What is a "deal"?
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 03:47 »
A “deal” was a measurement used for lumber.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: What is a "deal"?
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 04:28 »
I knew about floorboards being made of deal,

But as maddys52 gives

An alternative etymology.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/deal

Always interested in language.

@Neale1961 can you expand, I have not come across that usage.
Nicoll, Small - Scotland Dennis - Lincolnshire, Baldwin - Notts. Gordon, Fletcher Deeside

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Re: What is a "deal"?
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 05:14 »


@Neale1961 can you expand, I have not come across that usage.
Expanded here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_(unit)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)