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Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Monday 04 August 25 23:03 BST (UK) »
This post a year ago kind of got resolved to a degree on the Lancashire page but..............
I've just found out that the Thomas Davies from Burghill with a father James Davies who is a Cooper I was researching is NOT the correct Thomas Davis   :-\ :-\
The Thomas Davies I should be researching is from Holmer and born in 1855 to a James Davies farmer  :o :o
I think what's thrown me is the Cooper thing, my Thomas Davies is listed on a marriage certificate to a Sarah Tremble in 1876 in St Helens lists his occupation as a Cooper and is listed as such on subsequent census records onwards so you can see where the confusion occurs.
Now, his sons marriage certificate, Thomas Davis, in 1930 lists his father Thomas Davis as a famer, deceased.
I've spent the last few days looking for both Thomas and his father James in Holmer in 1855 and for census records that match and I cant find either of them.
Now, 1855 Thomas appears on my records in 1876 and subsequent census records after this but I cant find him from his birth in 1855 up to the 1871 census, I cant find find anything on father James at all.
There is a lot of info on previous posts which is correct, specifically those from 1881 but I'm struggling for anything prior to his 1876 marriage so any help in tracing him back would be a great help.

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Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 August 25 23:45 BST (UK) »
What and where is the previous thread? Is it this one?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=883284.54

What information do you have that IS correct? You have not said.

Your opening post above, is really quite confusing, so it is difficult to know how to help.

When Thomas married Sarah Tremble in 1876 his father is recorded as James Davies (a cooper).
Is this the correct marriage?

Why do you think James Davies should be a farmer?
You seem to have your Thomas's confused - or you have jumped a generation?
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Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 August 25 23:58 BST (UK) »
Did you check the 1881 census

His birthplace is Holmer Herefordshire & he is a sheet glass maker.  Birthyear shown as 1855
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Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 August 25 23:58 BST (UK) »
Why have you discounted the Thomas Davies living in Burghill, with father James, a cooper?

Holmer and Burghill are 3 miles apart.

1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M75H-3LS?lang=en

1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55V-WZ7?lang=en

1851 Same family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGPH-8T8?lang=en

James Davies in 1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M77D-ZNL?lang=en
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Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 August 25 00:11 BST (UK) »
MARRIAGE 16 January 1845 Burghill, Herefordshire,
James DAVIES to Sarah TRILLOE
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK86-1LF?lang=en

James DAVIES baptised 8 May 1817 Hope under Dinmore
son of Uvedale and Harriett Davies

Uvedale DAVIES - A clock and watch maker
See here
https://herefordshiregenealogy.com/2022/04/16/52-ancestor-uvedale-davies/

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Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 05 August 25 00:13 BST (UK) »
Something strange

1881 has a 9yr old son Thomas b Haydock.  Baptism shows he was born Feb 1870 but only baptised 1875.  Parents Thomas - occ collier & Sarah

GRO birth online shows mmn Yardley

1876 marriage between Thomas DAVIS & Sarah Yardley

However - dtr Emily has mmn Tremble but no birth for 1yr old dtr Sarah with mmn Tremble or Yardley
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Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 05 August 25 00:22 BST (UK) »
You say his son Thomas married in 1930??
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Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 August 25 00:56 BST (UK) »
In 1891 Thomas Davies 37 occ Cooper b Holmer is in Herefordshire with wife Cecelia also 37 b St Helens (Transcribed as St Ellens)

1885 marriage St Helens Thomas Davies to Celia Wildbore nee Ashton
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Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 05 August 25 01:04 BST (UK) »
In 1891 Thomas Davies 37 occ Cooper b Holmer is in Herefordshire with wife Cecelia also 37 b St Helens (Transcribed as St Ellens)

1885 marriage St Helens Thomas Davies to Celia Wildbore nee Ashton

This information is posted on previous thread.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=883284.54
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Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)