White Rose of York

[BumbleB]

Does anyone, please know the origins of this?

In Yorkshire there is a tradition of using the rose with a petal at the top in the North Riding and the West Riding but with a sepal at the top in the East Riding.


I think I was once told that it had something to do with a war, but I now can't substantiate this.  I have recently been in touch with my FHS and also seen information from Yorkshire Ridings Society.

[hepburn]

Yes, there's a tradition in Yorkshire where the white rose emblem is displayed differently in the three historic ridings: the North and West Ridings traditionally show the rose with a petal at the top, while the East Riding traditionally shows it with a sepal at the top according to the Yorkshire Ridings Society. This means the East Riding's rose is essentially the reverse of the other two, according to the Hedon Blog. The Yorkshire flag, officially registered in 2008, can be flown without planning permission, according to the Yorkshire Ridings Society.


Off Wiki.

[KGarrad]

Apparently, it's based on the coats of arms of the ridings?

https://www.gazetteherald.co.uk/news/6661956.which-way-up-should-a-yorkshire-rose-be/

[BumbleB]

Thanks - I did know about the positioning of the petal and sepal, depending on the Riding.  My mini-flag has the petal at the top = West Riding.  It was just that I had it in my mind that someone had told me that it was due to the Ridings being on different sides in a battle or even war.

[Andy J2022]

Possibly the 'War' aspect you are thinking of is the connection between roses and the Battle of Minden in 1759. The successor regiments to those which fought on the British side at that battle still wear various colours of rose on Minden Day which is on 1 August. In the case of the white rose, this was worn by the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry and also formed the centre of their capbadge. Today the KOYLI Regiment is incorporated in The Rifles and has lost its identity, although the practice of wearing a white rose on Minden Day continues.

[Kiltpin]

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] ErrorSPAM    REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.(102, 102, 102)][/color][/size]In the early days of heraldry, there was no nuance whatsoever. What you saw is what you got. If you reduce a shield down to the size of a 2nd class stamp, that is the size it would look like at 200 yards. If it cannot easily be discerned at that small size, it would not have been used. For that reason, I do not give the story much historic credence.
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Chas

[BumbleB]

Many thanks, Andy, that sounds very plausible.