Buxtons of Fenny Bentley and Bradbourne.

[lmgnz]

Is anyone reseaching these families and can tell me if they connect and how?

I have recently discovered that I have a group of related paternal DNA matches who all belong to a Francis Buxton b 1847 in Tasmania, whose father William Buxton was born 1800 in Fenny Bentley son of William Buxton yeoman born 1747 Fenny Bentley son of Edmund.

That is where this family gets interesting to me as in my paternal grandmother's family I have a William Burton of Bradbourne who died 1840 aged 91, who was both a 4xt gt and 5x gt grandfather to me. I believe he was the William Burton bap 31 May 1749 in Bradbourne to parents William and Elizabeth.  William and Elizabeth, William's father John Burton and wife Sarah, and William bapt 1749 are all buried in a row at Bradbourne and I have DNA matches in the families of 3 of William senior's (b1716) siblings.

William Burton of Bradbourne married Elizabeth Cantrell of Kniveton at Kniveton on 13 Mar 1746. Just 3 entries above that marriage is the baptism of Mary Allen daughter of John and Grace Allen. (William's sister Grace was named as the wife of John Allen in the Will of their father John Burton who died 1776 aged 90)

I have linked Elizabeth Cantrell to Elizabeth Cantrell baptised Jan 1718 Kniveton daughter of Benjamin Cantrell and Jane. Though half the trees I have seen in Ancestry think this Elizabeth married a Richard Pimm.

Both sets of trees and one in FamilySearch (also with the Pimm marriage) agree that Benjamin was the Benjamin Cantrel who married Jane  Buxton at Bradbourne on 6 Nov 1717.

If this is my Jane Buxton then she is the only Buxton in my Ancestry as far as I know, and I would like to know if anyone can place her in a specific Buxton family?

The Cantrels were a Kniveton family. I noted a George Cantrel was Churchwarden at Kniveton at least from 1737-1740, potentially the brother of Benjamin. (Ancestry trees show Benjamin was the son of George Cantrel and  Elizabeth Hurd and had a brother George as well )

Thank you in advance.

[amondg]

Children of Benjamin Cantrell and Jane nee Buxton married 6th November 1717
Bap. at Kniveton
Elizabeth 1718
Jane** 1720
Benjamin 1726
George 1729
Mary 1732
Richard 1734
Ann 1737
Joseph 1740

Sorry need to go back another generation

[lmgnz]

I think I ran out of words so could not complete my signature. This time I will try to be briefer.

I just found the marriage of Benjamin Cantrel and Jane Buxton in the images of the Bradbourne records which I noted started in bout 1712. I worked back from Elizabeth Burton's baptism in 1721. Only that patism was registered as Buxton. I know John Burton had a daughter Elizabeth who married JOhn Fox as they were also named in John Burton's Will. The Elizabeth "Buxton" bapt 1721 was the daughter of John and Sarah. JOhn Burton was married to Sarah (Wragg).

So the Jane "buxton" who married Benjamin Cantrel may have been a Burton as the handwriting is the same as in Elizabeth's baptism.

However there is no Jane in John Burton's Will. Though Jane is thought to have died 1762.

John bequeathed "to my son Thomas BURTON” his “possession and tenant-right of the farm or tenement I hold under the Rt Honorable Lord TOWNSEND". To his daughter Hannah widow of Thomas BELFIELD he left £10. To the rest of the family £5 each. These were named in the following order: sons; John, William and Joseph, daughters-in-law; Elizabeth widow of his son Edward and Mary widow of his son Benjamin, and lastly daughters; Grace wife of John ALLEN, Elizabeth widow of John FFOX, and Mary wife of Joseph RADFORD.

Grace and John's birth's  appear to pre date these Bradbourne records. I have DNA matches in the families of John, Hannah and Thomas.

Cheers

Linda

[lmgnz]

Thank you Amon

I was warned someone was adding information as I typed the second message.

Yes I too need to go back to the other Cantrel families of Kniveton. In case Elizabeth belonged to a brother of Benjamin. I know I saw a c1737 burial for a son of Benjamins's brother George but I have not added him or his family to my tree. I think his wife was an Ann. All this Cantrell information is very new to me.

[ciderdrinker]

Good Afternoon.
I agree that Elizabeth Cantrell is the daughter of Benjamin and Jane born 1718.
So Jane Buxton from Bradbourne is the key.
Looking at the possible baptisms
Jane d of Samuel and Mary 29.12.1701
Jane d of Richard and Mary 19.2.1700
jane d of John and Elizabeth 30.5.1694.
There are 3 marriages  to  George Roe 24.2.1714
                                       Benjamin Cantrell 6.11.1717
                                       George Waine 18.6.1718
The first marriage must be the older child.
That leaves yours and George Waine .Jane Waine is given as 1700 in her burial but she has a son Samuel while Jane Cantral has a son Richard .
So I would say  Your Jane is the daughter of Richard and Mary ,not Samuel and Mary.
Now Richard Buxton marries 24.12.1699 by licence to Mary Johnson
He like Samuel is the son of Walter and Jane Buxton.

Walter and Jane's children- John born c 1656 ,Edmund bapt 1.1.1657 at Thorpe (wife Jane),Anne 19.8.1660 Ashbourne,Walter 31.7.1667 Ashbourne (wife Maud) ,Sarah 2.12.1669 Ashbourne,Thomas ,Samuel 20.8.1674 Bradbourne(wife Mary ),Richard 25.4.1677 Bradbourne (wife Mary Johnson) ,Martha 22.7.1679

Walter leaves a Will 1694 which includes his surviving children.
Edmund born 1721 must be the descendent of one of them,there is a baptism at Fenny Bentley 2.10.1722 s of Walter and Elizabeth
Walter Buxton 1693-1741 married Elizabeth Toplis at Ashbourne  8.10.1715.Walter is the son of Walter and Maud bapt 16.10.1694  at Bradbourne.
The fly in the ointment is that Walter doesn't mention his son Edmund i his Will of 1740/1.

But that would all connect up .
I'm surprised though that the DNA matches go back that far.
Two brothers Walter  born 1667 and Richard 1674.

That's the best I can do.

Ciderdrinker
                                   

[lmgnz]

Hi Ciderdrinker

Thank you so much. Yes that does all make sense regarding the Buxtons.

As you say it is surprising that I could have DNA matches with descendants of Edward Buxton due to inheriting DNA through Jane Buxton.

The best I was hoping for would be finding DNA matches siblings of Elizabeth Cantrell, as I do have matches in the siblings of William Burton. A few of those matches are >20cM, which Is how I originally found them (apart from the one who belongs to William's brother John Burton and Hannah Steele, who I made contact with in the 1990s through the Genealogical Research Directory).

But so far I do not have any Cantrell DNA matches. So I was thinking maybe I got more Burton DNA than Cantrell in the DNA lottery.  However I am only about quarter of the way through the 78 tress that have Benjamin Cantrell and Jane Buxton.

I certainly do not match all the Tasmanian descendants of Edward Buxton. Just 5 at this point who are known to have Buxton DNA. All 13 cM or less  shared with me, as are their shared matches with me. Except the match who led me to them, who is a 21 cM match to me and also matches one of my 3rd cousins who is also  doubly descended from William Burton. I cannot link that match to any known family in my line to the Burtons. That match shares 2 of the 5 with Buxton DNA plus another 2 of their other 7 shared matches.

I will pass on your Buxton information to the two Tasmanian's whose trees go back to Edward Buxton of Fenny Bentley. Despite being a Kiwi and living close to Australia, I do not have any Australian Ancestors, though there are the occasional convicts in families of siblings of Ancestors in my tree.

Cheers

Linda

[lmgnz]

Hi again Ciderdrinker.

The tree of one of my Tasmanian contacts does go back to the Walter Buxton (though missing his wife Jane)  who was the father of Richard Buxton and his brother Walter who married Elizabeth Toplis. (As an aside Hannah Burton sister of my two Burton ancestors married a Ralph Toplis b 1783 of Brassington).

I am not a DNA match to that Tasmanian tree owner. Nor to his DNA match who manages one of my 5 DNA matches who also belongs to William Buxton born 1800 in Fenny Bentley and died 1855 in Tasmania. Apparently there are a raft of people I should match but don't, but that is not at all surprising.

Thank you again.

[lmgnz]

And sorry I keep calling Edmund Buxton, Edward. Edmund Buxton born c1722 married Lydia Johnson and they were the parents of William Buxton born c1747 at Fenny Bentley who married Mary Bottom.

William and Mary were the parents of William b 1800 who emigrated to Tasmania and of another Edmund Buxton b 1798 who married an Elizabeth Frith of Mayfield Staffordshire.

My Frith family were from Tissington.