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Offline Lambeth48

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Re: Unable to find death record for Alfred Edgar JEWSON
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 03 August 25 13:56 BST (UK) »
Hi
Thank you for the welcome to Rootschat. Also many many thanks to all for the replies.

Maddys52 – it is Alfred Edgar Jewson that I am researching and at the risk of a lengthy post here is what I have so far.

Arthur Edgar Jewson, born 10 Jan 1847 and baptised 31 Jan 1847.  http://tinstaafl.co.uk/nbp/Church_Pages/kings_lynn_prims.html#1845

I have verified records for his first marriage to Amelia Caroline Wearing my great grandmother and for their daughter Mabel Lilian Jewson my grandmother.
[Although many people have a Matt C L Jewson as well as Mabel Lilian Jewson, this is definitely a transcription error.]

I have seen the records for a marriage between an Alred Edgar Jewson and Mary Anne Hunter [Widow], maiden name Anger born in 1861, and the 1901 and 1911 Census info would appear to fit them, except for ages but I know that ages can be wrong in a census.
1901 Census – Address 77 Duncan Buildings: Alfred; 47 and Mary; 38: Should be 54 and 40,
There are 3 step children [Hunter] and 3 children [Jewson] - Arthur aged 6; Beatrice aged 3; Olive aged 1.

1911 Census – Address 5 Wilmington Place: Alfred’s age is still adrift, step children no longer at home, but others are roughly 10 years older.

Electoral List Addresses for Alfred Jewson that would fit with above census info:
1898-1902   77 Duncan Buildings
1905-1913   5 Wilmington Place
With exception of:
1903,1904,1912 - Nothing found so far.
1907 - 10 Wilmington Place [from St Helena Place]

The following facts that relate to the Jewson’s are quite confusing/misleading to say the least:

London England School Admissions and Discharges:
Birth dates fit children, but address of parent, namely Alfred Jewson is listed as 35 East Street where as 1901 Census address has everybody living at 77 Duncan Buildings.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1938/images/31949_212936-00163?treeid=195750417&personid=172556877810&usePUB=true&_phsrc=FIf9836&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=18438609

1915 Army Records for son Arthur Edgar Jewson have mother listed as Mary Elizabeth Jewson – not Mary Anne, she has actually signed Mary E Jewson on receipt for War Medal.
Father given as Alfred, address 13 Chapel Row, although this information is crossed out and his mother’s details put instead.

I don’t think Arthur Edgar Jewson who died in the war is the son of Alfred Jewson and Mary Anne [Anger] Hunter mentioned on both the 1901 and 1911 census but I stand to be corrected.

1914 and 1915 Electoral List entries: Alfred Jewson at 13 Chapel Row, same as son’s army record, also listed 1915 is
Alfred Jewson at 45 St Helena Street, which is close to Helena Place [1907 address above].

I couldn’t find much for Alfred Edgar Jewson after 1915 so I looked for deaths around that time and actually purchased a death certificate for an Alfred Jewson who died 9th June 1916. Turns out to be Alfred Jewson of 13 Chapel Row, who died aged 64 in Holborn Workhouse and who was a printer– maybe why his details were crossed out on the boy’s Army record. Also makes him having been born in 1852.

1921 Census – Again details are for Mary E Jewson, not Mary Anne
Widow aged 59; Beatrice L Jewson [daughter] and John Halfacre [grandson] of 22 Little Northampton Street.
There are records linking both Beatrice and Olive to 22 Little Northampton Street, also records for Olive’s marriage to John Halfacre, the birth of their son and her death in 1920 which correspond with information in the 1921 census.

Further GRO research has thrown up the following records:
Arthur Edgar Jewson born 1895    Mother’s Maiden Name:    Hunter
Olive Jewson born 1900   Mother’s Maiden Name:   Anger
So far no birth record for Beatrice Jewson., there is a marriage for her which again links to the 22 Little Northampton Street address and her middle name appears to be Laura.

So if Mary E and Mary A are in fact the same person, and my Alfred Edgar Jewson is the one who married her the he did die 9th June 1916.

At the moment I am looking at https://col-burialregisters.uk/ , London and Middlesex area, between 1915 and 1921, but as the last known definite information for my Aldred Edgard Jewson was the 1891 census I am wondering if Alan maybe right and he died before 1901, even though he is on Millie’s marriage certificate in 1908. Could it be that the ‘deceased’ was just omitted or even that Millie did not know her father was dead, that is if he was!

Again apologies for the length of post, hopefully I haven’t confused the issue more but I hope the above explains my dilemma!  :(

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Re: Unable to find death record for Alfred Edgar JEWSON
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 03 August 25 15:58 BST (UK) »

These are the two families who seem to be getting mixed.   I agree with mckha489 that the Bromley Alfred is not correct.

It could be worth getting sight of the 1916 death certificate mentioned earlier.

Deaths Jun 1916   
Jewson    Alfred    64    Croydon    2a   488


1881 census 4 Devonport Terrace. West Ham.

Alfred E. Jewson   32  Draper born Kings Lynn 1849.
Amelia R.? Jewson   31
Amelia J. (Julia) Jewson12 Marriage cert (1908) says father a Draper.
Lavenda L. Jewson   5 Marriage cert (1895) says father a Printer.
Walter W. Jewson   3 Marriage cert (1899) says father a Steward.
Mat C.L. (Mabel) Jewson 1 Marriage cert (1898) says father a Printer.
Julia E. Wearing   55

1881 census 18 Southborough Road. Bromley

Alfred Jewson 29 Head. Gardener. Died 1940.
Amelia A. Jewson (Daysh)   29   Wife. Died 1920
Alfred G. (George) Jewson 8 Son. Died 1955
Frederick W. Jewson 6 Son. Died 1959
Herbert E. Jewson 4 Son. Died 1908
Walter H. (Henry) Jewson 3 Son.  Died 1963
Amelia Ellen Jewson 1 Daughter. Died Unmarried 1968.
Edith Elizh. Jewson Daughter.  Died unmarried 1963

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Re: Unable to find death record for Alfred Edgar JEWSON
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 03 August 25 18:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Sandra
Thank you for your reply. The family in the 1881 and 1891 census is the right family.
I have discounted Alfred Edgar Jewson in the 1881 who died in 1940 in Bromley, the birth date does not fit and  according to the 1939 Register his 3 daughters appear to have been unmarried, as you have stated.

I have attached the death certificate that I purchased in relation to the death 9th June, definitely has him going into the workhouse from 13 Chapel Street.
Confusion comes from Census stating Mary Anne being mother and Army records stating Mary Elizabeth, especially when the mother signed Mary E on receipt of medals and is Mary Elizabeth on Army Pension document.
Can we really have two families with father Alfred Edgar Jewson, children Arthur, Beatrice and Olive, one with Mother Mary Anne and the other with Mary Elizabeth ???

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Re: Unable to find death record for Alfred Edgar JEWSON
« Reply #21 on: Monday 04 August 25 02:52 BST (UK) »
I see the problem, two guys with the same name of a similar age both marrying women with the same christian name. Some of the trees on Ancestry would appear to have well and truly confused the two as well.

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Re: Unable to find death record for Alfred Edgar JEWSON
« Reply #22 on: Monday 04 August 25 04:07 BST (UK) »
I agree that the 1916 death looks most promising.

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Re: Unable to find death record for Alfred Edgar JEWSON
« Reply #23 on: Monday 04 August 25 04:47 BST (UK) »
I agree that the 1916 death looks most promising.

You might also have to get the 1894 marriage certificate.
But Beatrice (child in the family we found in 1911) at her marriage  says her father Edgar was a printer.

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Re: Unable to find death record for Alfred Edgar JEWSON
« Reply #24 on: Monday 04 August 25 05:15 BST (UK) »
One part of the son Arthur Edgar's army records state that his father is deceased. Declared by his mother in 1919.

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Re: Unable to find death record for Alfred Edgar JEWSON
« Reply #25 on: Monday 04 August 25 07:57 BST (UK) »
Alfred moved to Wilmington Place by 1906 according to electoral rolls. Appears there until 1914 when he is in Chapel Row. Also there in 1915 and then disappears.

No Alfred in 1916 at all that I can see so as has been said before the 1916 death looks promising.

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Re: Unable to find death record for Alfred Edgar JEWSON
« Reply #26 on: Monday 04 August 25 08:41 BST (UK) »
the 1916 death looks promising.

The Holborn Union had a workhouse at Mitcham, in Croydon RD.
So maybe a look at the London workhouse records on ancestry, see if there is anything for Alfred?