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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #18 on: Monday 28 July 25 23:22 BST (UK) »
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is there any other reliable information you have about Elizabeth?

father on the Eton, Buckinghamshire marriage cert, DOB on 1939 register?

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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #19 on: Monday 28 July 25 23:46 BST (UK) »
There are about 12 trees on Ancestry listing Elizabeth McKeown born in May 1919 to father James and mother Margaret Canning. They show her as dying in Bushmills, Co Antrim. Not England. Some say she was still alive and living in Bushmills in 2009. (No precise death date and no supporting evidence). The trees might be wrong but it adds further doubt to this being the lady who died in England in 1991.
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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 29 July 25 01:35 BST (UK) »
those trees also have a death date for mother Margaret of 14 Oct 1962 in Bushmills and there is no registration nor for a James McKeown in 1962. Who started the chinese whisper is hard to tell.
https://ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/110431456/person/102612424575/facts

1964 interred in Dunluce is a different James & Margaret https://findagrave.com/memorial/255610471/james-mckeown and they were of 55 Huey Crescent, Bushmills per death notices though that is what gets mentioned as a birth location for father James in the Meeke tree long before the street & houses appeared. Children don't match headstone (mind you the headstone date for James is 10th when he died 14th according to death notice and 15th according to GRONI). Don't believe it just because its carved in stone!

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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 29 July 25 15:04 BST (UK) »
Must say thank you to everyone who has tried to help with this.
I can now say thanks to Softly Softly, I’ve finally got the correct person. The birthdate on the death certificate was indeed wrong,and should have been 21st June 1919.
So Elizabeth’s mother was Annie Maginnis, and her father Patrick McKeown. I haven’t been able to find their marriage as yet or any siblings for Elizabeth,but will keep hunting!
Once again very grateful for all the help.


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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 29 July 25 15:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Marie

The irishgenealogy website that has been cited for the birth you are looking for, will give you all the information you need. You can also just get an electronic copy from PRONI if you want to but it won't give your more information. There is no need for the additional information you say is required. You can just open an account with PRONI with a few pounds with then click on the order options for any certificates you find. But for anything in Northern Ireland before 1922, you can see the same thing for free from Irishgenealogy.

What you may not know is that you can also look up the marriage of Elizabeth's parents in Irishgenealogy as the marriage should be before 1922. From that you can get more information on Elizabeth's mother. Unfortunately you cannot use Irishgenealogy for death registrations in Northern Ireland after 1922 (or it it might be 1921). So you would need to go to PRONI for her mother's death registration. Also for any of Elizabeth's sisters (if she had any).

If you have Elizabeth's marriage certificate then you can use the farther's name, occupation and location (assuming they are all recorded) to confirm any births you find in Irishgenealogy. I would think you would be interested in following any possible sisters of Elizabeth.
 
If any witnesses at Elizabeth's marriage were related to her, then that could be another avenue to explore.

Best of luck to you and your granddaughter.

Linda



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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 29 July 25 15:11 BST (UK) »
Marriage of Patrick McKeown and Annie magennis.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=8f6abc883a-526603

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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 29 July 25 15:13 BST (UK) »
GRONI not PRONI

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Possible younger brother.

U/1921/172/1021/52/119   Edward McKeown   26th April 1921      Male   Magennis     Lurgan



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