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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #9 on: Monday 28 July 25 22:02 BST (UK) »
The only Ballymoney registered Elizabeth McKeown birth in 1919 I can see is this one:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1919/01250/1519365.pdf
 


Top left see Page 102.

They have just listed it by Union rather than district

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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #10 on: Monday 28 July 25 22:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you, I’ve seen it to and it’s possible it’s correct,but without any information for the mother I can’t get the certificate to prove it one way or another! So I’m stuck!!!
No one seems to know how to get a certificate without that information.

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« Reply #11 on: Monday 28 July 25 22:28 BST (UK) »
Presumably you have the 1941 marriage record. What was Elizabeth's father's name and occupation?
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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #12 on: Monday 28 July 25 22:28 BST (UK) »
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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #13 on: Monday 28 July 25 22:31 BST (UK) »
The only birth that fits the screen shot you posted from Find My Past in the one that's already been mentioned several times-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1919/01250/1519365.pdf
The birthdate is 23 May 1919 and the registration date is 13 June 1919.

The Registration district is Ballymoney (as in your screenshot) and the sub-district is Bushmills. The townland where Elizabeth was born is Ardihannon but her father's (and probably the whole family lived at Ballynaris. It wasn't uncommon for woman to go to their mother or another relative to give birth.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/cary/billy/bushmills/ardihannon/

Thank you, I’ve seen it to and it’s possible it’s correct,but without any information for the mother I can’t get the certificate to prove it one way or another! So I’m stuck!!!
No one seems to know how to get a certificate without that information.
Why do you need 'a certificate'? the above link is the birth registration which shows the same information you would get from looking at GRONI's database or ordering a paper certificate. If you really do want a certificate see GRONI's website.
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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #14 on: Monday 28 July 25 22:44 BST (UK) »
The date of birth on a death cert is only as accurate as the informant stated some disagree in one way or another from the actual birth cert, be it a year, month, or day out or all 3.
IrishGen and GRONI are from 2 different sources, the former the quarterly copies, the latter the original ledgers, whilst there could be transcription indexing errors on either, the chances of both doing so are slim and there is no birth for an Elizabeth McKeown on 19 June 1919 in N.I.

If you need a paper certificate you can get it from either GRONI or the Irish GRO for a birth in 1919. The old quarterly indexes (Findmypast, Ancestry, Familysearch) are no use to GRONI, they do not have any pre-partition quarterly BMD copies.
They are largely obsolete for ordering from GROI, Roscommon too. https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=5fc6443d7a-445335 or see FAQ on IrishGen
You don't need mother's maiden surname at all for a cert, if tick the box on the search index. If you use the "Order a birth certificate" that has extra questions as most are ordering a recent cert for someone living.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=849427.msg7168488#msg7168488

No relationship to deceased is legally needed either on GRONI or GRO England to get a paper cert, can just enter none in the box and are presented with a payment page £15 for the paper cert.

Edit: have suggested an index amendment to mother Canning to GRONI.


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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #16 on: Monday 28 July 25 22:53 BST (UK) »
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Impossible birth certificate
« Reply #17 on: Monday 28 July 25 23:08 BST (UK) »
My worry remains that your "connection" from the birth date in the 1991 death registration to the 1919 "Ballymoney" birth registration could be unsound, quite simply because the birth date in the death registration could be wrong (eg. could be literally years out). Taking the birth date as a guide (rather than specific) and forgetting about that "Ballymoney" birth for a moment, is there any other reliable information you have about Elizabeth?  There was mention of her father being called Patrick - where did that come from?