Wilson-Sloan

[aghadowey]

Brilliant find, gaffy, and certainly explains problems finding marriage of parents as it seems they married before civil registration (1845 for non-Catholic marriages).

[pat77]

Thanks again. That's the right family right enough. x

[pat77]

I think I maybe found Samuels parents deaths, They disappeared after 1880 from Shinn. I found a death for Joseph Wilson on 4th April 1888 and Mary in 16th Jan 1879 at Gransha, Donaghmore, Newry which I think is is the right locale x

[Kiltaglassan]

....and Mary in 16th Jan 1879 at Gransha, Donaghmore, Newry...

Mary Ann died on 23 January 1879.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06532/4882561.pdf

Gransha townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/lordship-of-newry/newry-down-portion/ouley/gransha/

[heywood]

I might be on the wrong track here but the ages don’t seem to link up.

Joseph Wilson’s age is given as 80 yrs in 1888.
His son Joseph is the informant.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06180/4766966.pdf

In the death record posted by Kiltaglassan, Mary Ann is 68 yrs in 1879.

These seem old for births in late 1860s.
Am I mixing generations here?

[aghadowey]

I think the ages in the death registrations are the problem here and that Joseph and wife Mary weren't quite as old as registered.

Looking at the census abstracts from 1851 census that gaffy found (reply #8) there were TWO couples named Joseph & Mary Wilson in Gransha townland at the time (possibly both men were cousins). In his application Samuel listed his parents as Joseph Wilson & Mary Sloan and said the children who should be found in 1851 were Margt, Elizth, Samuel & James. This would be the 2nd couple-
Joseph Wilson m.1843 Mary
Margt Wilson born c1843
Elizth Wilson born c1845
Samuel Wilson born c1847
James Wilson born c1849
We know that there was also a Thomas and Hans (1868) born after 1851.

If Mary was 68 when she died in 1879 she would have been born c1811 and thus married aged 32 which seem unlikely given the ages of the children.

[heywood]

Thanks aghadowey.
I was thinking the same about the ages -often there are discrepancies.

It is still confusing.

The children you list are at regular intervals in the 1840s.
As yet no children found in the 1850s but then a possibility of one or two - Thomas and Hans in the late 1860s.

I am aware though, from my own family, even in recent times,  that there can be gaps of 20+ years between the oldest and youngest in families.

[pat77]

would the first joseph and mary married 1828 be the parents of the second joseph who married in 1843?

[heywood]

Are your Thomas’ parents shown as Joseph and Mary Sloan in marriage and death records?

There is a Joseph Wilson in Gransha, in Griffiths Valuation.