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Tracking down poorly attested Whitehaven family
« on: Sunday 27 July 25 02:16 BST (UK) »
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I am looking into the family of Selina Row and Henry Tyson. I have records confirming their marriage in Whitehaven in 1865. Their dates of birth are vague; Selina was certainly born in the 1840s, with an unclear year and a variable age depending on the document. Nothing unusual for the 1800s, but annoying. For Henry, there are just too many Henry Tysons – this overrepresentation of the surname Tyson, even with Selina Tysons, is indeed part of what is causing this dead end. Moving on, they have a son Henry Tyson in 1866, a daughter Hannah in 1868 who dies in infancy, a daughter Catherine Tyson in 1870, and a son James Tyson in 1873 who dies in infancy. The last time Selina and Henry the older are ever seen is in the 1871 census. I know from his death certificate (obtained at the GRO) that Henry died in 1875. Catherine seems to be in the 1881 census "boarding" at school. Even if this were to imply her mother died, I can find no appropriate death for a Selina Tyson of the right age at all, even well into the 20th century. Henry the younger is a little easier to track, and I think I have him as an apprentice in the 1881 and 1891 census, but he then vanishes. Catherine seems to have married a Cecil Henry Elmes and then to have died in 1934; her death certificate mentions her middle name is Gertrude, which "clashes" with her birth certificate.

I'm left a bit puzzled with the whole thing. I cannot figure out where Selina or Henry the younger ended up, nor if Catherine Elmes is the right Catherine. The fact the GRO doesn't give marriage certificates easily (as digital images) doesn't help matters.

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Re: Tracking down poorly attested Whitehaven family
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 July 25 03:43 BST (UK) »
Assuming I have the correct Henry and Selina TYSON - in 1871 at Low Mill, Saint John:

Henry TYSON   55  Muncaster  (farm labourer)
Selina                28  Ireland
Henry                 4   Gosforth
Catherine           1  Saint John

RG10 5263/54 pg 6

I notice in the 1861 census for Henry TYSON (45, Muncaster, ploughman) it says he is a widower. (Servant with John WALKER, farmer, at Gosforth)
RG9/3953/77 page 9

Henry TYSON (31, Muncaster, farm labourer) widower, is with John WALKER at Gosforth in 1851.
HO107/2437/508 pg12

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Re: Tracking down poorly attested Whitehaven family
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 July 25 05:02 BST (UK) »
Who notified Henry’s death?  And where was it?

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Re: Tracking down poorly attested Whitehaven family
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 July 25 05:23 BST (UK) »
An image for the marriage  of Catherine Gertrude Tyson is on FindMyPast. It took place in India, and she is a nurse.  Father is Henry.
The ceremony is Catholic. 

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/98e36fe2-0ae3-4cca-8663-97ce0a17dfbd


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Re: Tracking down poorly attested Whitehaven family
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 July 25 05:37 BST (UK) »
Who notified Henry’s death?  And where was it?

Had a look and he was in the Bootle Workhouse and the Master of the Workhouse Thomas Smith reported his death

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Re: Tracking down poorly attested Whitehaven family
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 July 25 06:18 BST (UK) »
Hmm. That doesn’t sound much like an Esq.
there is a Henry with a Catherine the right age, a farmer of 150 acres! But I cannot find him after 1881 either, he is not at Ravenglass  :'(


1871 & 1881 Hobkin Ground, West Broughton, Ulverston, Lancashire & Cumberland, England

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Re: Tracking down poorly attested Whitehaven family
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 July 25 06:30 BST (UK) »
I probably reported it badly and William Smith was the Master of the Workshouse

I think this in 1861 Henry was a Widower and Ploughman  age 45 b Muncaster - living at Gosforth

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Re: Tracking down poorly attested Whitehaven family
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 July 25 06:37 BST (UK) »
No, it was fine.
It’s just the father Henry in the 1907 marriage is said to be an Esq.  of course Catherine could be elevating herself after the event.

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Re: Tracking down poorly attested Whitehaven family
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 July 25 06:39 BST (UK) »
I think that is probably the case.  My great grandfather did the same thing when he married!!