Elizabeth Harris, Southall

[rosie99]

I know it may be unlikely but could Elizabeth have being born abroad?

If her place of birth of Southall is wrong she could have been born anywhere in the UK.  I would have expected her to have at least lived in that area to have given it as her place of birth.

[softly softly]

Morning Lizzie and Rosie, what would determine who's mother Elizabeth's mother is, the birth cert with mmn Hillary?

SS

[LizzieL]

Elizabeth (mmn Hillary) looks like she is Elizabeth Hillary's daughter (we had all thought Caroline's) that would make her being a niece in 1861 correct, as Elizabeth Hillary was Caroline's older sister. But the father of Elizabeth (mmn Hillary ) is the wrong Mr Harris.

Now on the trail of a Harris / Woodley marriage.
Also no luck with a Henry Harris - house steward on censuses. Too many just down as servant. Tried footman and butler as occupations as he rose up the ranks to steward. Of course his occupation could have been "bigged up" on the marriage record. Seen it more than once in my family!

[rosie99]

The father could also have been invented 

At the moment SS I am not convinced that the birth certificate mmn Hillary is necessary 

[close1]

Thanks you for the suggestions, I did a ancestry search some of the names and I saw a tree for Adolphus.

Although their information may be incorrect, They had sources for Elizabeth Harris and it's suggested that Elizabeth was not married but may not the Elizabeth I'm searching for.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/7814/records/4911625?tid=48440187&pid=230153255471&ssrc=pt

[rosie99]

That link is showing Elizabeth Sarah Harris who was born at Southall Green on the census that they have attached.  She was baptised at Southall with parents George and Caroline 04 Mar 1854

Marriage Mar qtr 1853   
HARRIS    George       
OLLERHEAD    Caroline       
Uxbridge    3a   37

HARRIS, ELIZABETH  SARAH     mmn OLLERHEAD 
GRO Reference: 1854  March Quarter in UXBRIDGE UNION  Volume 03A  Page 33
 

[rosie99]

There are census records for a single Elizabeth Harris bn c1852 bn Acton until at least 1911.

As there are 2 Elizabeth Harris births registered in Brentford RD c1853 and we have looked at one of them it may be worth you purchasing the other birth certificate as a PDF (£3) if only to establish who she is.  I can't see a Harris/Woodley marriage either to confirm her parents

[LizzieL]

Elixabeth Harris / Hands is consistent with her pob in 3 censuses and an age giving a year of birth as 1852. As the census is taken in early April, that gives a birth range of Qs 2,3 & 4 of 1851 and Q1 1852. Maybe, as has already been suggested, father was made up. But details seem a bit too specific, possibly a stepfather called Henry Harris with the occupation of House Steward/ butler/ footman/ servant

[LizzieL]

There are census records for a single Elizabeth Harris bn c1852 bn Acton until at least 1911.

As there are 2 Elizabeth Harris births registered in Brentford RD c1853 and we have looked at one of them it may be worth you purchasing the other birth certificate as a PDF (£3) if only to establish who she is.  I can't see a Harris/Woodley marriage either to confirm her parents

Ms Woodley may have been a widow and married under the name of her first husband. I can only see one child with the Harris / Woodley combination in the right area. Maybe an a 30-40 yo mother having a single child with new husband