Author Topic: Elizabeth Harris, Southall  (Read 1880 times)

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Re: Elizabeth Harris, Southall
« Reply #45 on: Monday 04 August 25 01:18 BST (UK) »
A possible for Eliza:

25 Mar 1876 at St Marylebone Parish Church
Henry Coles f/a Bachelor, Engineer of St Thomas, Portman Square. Father: Thomas Coles, Engineer
Eliza Harris f/a Spinster of St Marylebone. Father: James Harris, Private Attendant
Both signed
Witnesses: J Baldwin, C? Drabble

1881 at 21 Blandford Street, Marylebone - RG11/143/20/32
Henry Coles 35 Engine Fitter b Sidmouth, Devon
Eliza 31 wife b Southall, Middlesex
Fredk 2 son b Marylebone

COLES, FREDERICK mmn HARRIS 
GRO Reference: 1878  S Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 558

ADDED: By 1891 they are in Elswick, Newcastle, transcribed on Anc. as Cales: RG12/4197/18/29
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Elizabeth Harris, Southall
« Reply #46 on: Monday 04 August 25 15:00 BST (UK) »

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Re: Elizabeth Harris, Southall
« Reply #47 on: Monday 04 August 25 18:46 BST (UK) »
This makes no sense at the moment, but since James was in Great Baddow in 1871 & 1881 as a servant to John Crabb it seems too much of a coincidence not to be connected.

There is an article in the Chelmsford Chronicle 31 Dec 1880 about the suicide at Great Baddow of David Spackman, coachman to Mrs Crabb (who I think is the wife of Richard H Crabb).  A witness at the inquest was "Harriet Harris, wife of James Harris of Great Baddow"

The only James Harris I can see in Great Baddow in 1881 is 'your' James, and the only Harriet Harris is on the same census page, just a few properties away:

Harriet Harris 54 b Wyke, Dorset
Harriet Hansford 22 Niece b Great Power(?) Street, City, Middlesex
Beatrice Young 8 Visitor b Woolwich, Kent

By 1891 James & Harriet are back in London, at 73 Pulford Street, St George Hanover Square
James Harris 63 born Brentford, Middx, Coffee Tavern Keeper
Harriet 63 wife b Wyke, Dorset
Harriet 28 Niece b City of London
also three boarders and a servant

(Edited to correct spelling!)
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Elizabeth Harris, Southall
« Reply #48 on: Monday 04 August 25 18:56 BST (UK) »
1 July 1870, Holy Trinity, Paddington

James Harris 44 Widower, Valet of 3 Woodfield Villas. Father: James Harris (deceased) Carpenter
Harriet Hansford 44 Spinster of 3 Woodfield Villas. Father: Robert Hansford (deceased) Farmer
Both signed
Wits: Robert Robertson & Ann Knowle (?)
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.


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Re: Elizabeth Harris, Southall
« Reply #49 on: Monday 04 August 25 23:35 BST (UK) »
1 July 1870, Holy Trinity, Paddington

James Harris 44 Widower, Valet of 3 Woodfield Villas. Father: James Harris (deceased) Carpenter
Harriet Hansford 44 Spinster of 3 Woodfield Villas. Father: Robert Hansford (deceased) Farmer
Both signed
Wits: Robert Robertson & Ann Knowle (?)

That could explain why i can't find the Elizabeth the mother

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Re: Elizabeth Harris, Southall
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 05 August 25 00:04 BST (UK) »
I would say so, although finding the correct death may be hard as its not exactly a common name and she could be anywhere  :(
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Elizabeth Harris, Southall
« Reply #52 on: Yesterday at 23:20 »
Sorry I'm not sure what you're asking?

One is the 1871 census you already posted the Ancestry link for (attendant at Essex Lunatic Asylum), and the other is the daughter of George & Caroline.
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Elizabeth Harris, Southall
« Reply #53 on: Yesterday at 23:33 »
In my search, this is what i get.

Harris
Elizabeth Sarah
1850

1871
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
South Weald, Billericay, Essex, England
Harris
Elizabeth S
1854

1871
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Warkworth, Banbury, Northamptonshire, England
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1871
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hayes Precinct of Norwood, Uxbridge, Middlesex, England