Am I on the right thinking here.

[David Nicoll]

Hi,
   Sorry was not a bit clearer, what I mean is where you think you have worked out where people fit, but the expected relationship between one of the pairs of does not match the actual relationship seen. Means there is something wrong with the basic idea, so you have to rethink.
   I hope that makes more sense.

[Biggles50]

DNA Painter is a very useful website.

There is the “Shared cM Project” tool and the “WATO” tool (what are the odds) that are very useful and should be the “Go To” websites for any genealogist using DNA in their research.

The relationship predictor element in The Shared cM Project is vastly better than the wild guess approach used by Ancestry.

The WATO tool can be very useful but do read up on it and watch the tutorials.

Essentially you build a standalone tree around your DNA Match, link into the tree as many Shared Matches as you can, create a gedcom file, upload it to WATO, fill in the detail and answer the question.  The results show numerically the relationship probabilities.

One further thing to bear in mind with these sites is that if there is a Pedigree Collapse in your tree then the shared DNA cM will skew the results and will tend to show a relationship closer than it really is.

[Essnell]

Hi Biggles 50 and David.
Thank you both for the replies.   this is just so difficult to get more connections than ihave and those are not enough to do what is needed. 

Those in the 7x7 Cluster obviously match somewhere but wheere i have not found out.  there are possibles which are also hard to pin down as to who and where the who fits. 

I shall keep going it has to resolve some how. 

Essnell.

[Biggles50]

You seem very tenacious!

You will get there.

[David Nicoll]

Indeed, have you had a look at the cluster and shared matches manually, there may well be some slightly more distantly related people who make the inheritance line clearer, at least I have often found this to be the case. Th tools is good but the cut off point is not low enough.

[Essnell]

Hi Biggles50 and DavidNichols,

yes I am in a way at least with this.. But once I start it has to be completed.  Bit like a dog with a big bone. 

Re this 7x7 cluster i started once to work out who matched who and why and where. but not much info to work with.. Trying a new idea..... hope it works better.   
Essnell. 

[Murrell]

This topic has been so interesting

[ReadyDale]

Hi Biggles50 and DavidNichols,

yes I am in a way at least with this.. But once I start it has to be completed.  Bit like a dog with a big bone. 

Re this 7x7 cluster i started once to work out who matched who and why and where. but not much info to work with.. Trying a new idea..... hope it works better.   
Essnell.

if you haven't already, ProTools is worth investing in. Even if only for a month or two. I've found it helps no end, to get the the bottom of how clusters hang together.

[Essnell]

Hi Murrell,
Thank you for your comment . I think you are right judging how many times it's been read.  it's really been a ssurprise and interesting for me as well. 
I am almost certain I have the mystery person. I just am missing a DNA connection. Paper trail is in parts good but then there are parts that flop all over everything.  It's so frustrating.
there are so many issues with endogamy. Part of the culture of the mystery person.  and every one tells a story as they see it.  Hope you keep following it.   E.

Hi ReadyDale,  Thank you to you as well. Every suggestion helps.  I do have Pro-tools.  Got it as it was necessary to get the clustering done. [Actually got it for my own DNA looking for my own ggt grandparents inn England.]

 It has helped immensely as you say it does.  I am not getting to the bottom of the linkage on the second smallest cluster as to who connects to who.  There are just 7 people in this cluster.  They are all related .   
brother and sister and a cousin and an aunt and a cousin plus and two who might be connected to the aunt.  I just cannot build the trees.
I think a run through ancestry search for each might help as otherwise nothing seems to tell me more.

I have just chased down a side link back to the original gtgtgt parents.  so that is progress and it has two connections. That tells me I am on the right path.  But they are not in the 7x7.

more to this yet. 

AnDd as it DEC 13 here ..Happy Xmas to all.   Essnell