Am I on the right thinking here.

[Essnell]

Hi   okay for David:-   
1. yes it is complicated  - much more than I ever expected.

2. yes at the moment I only have access to A's Ancestry matches but as I have pro tools I am getting those against the matches.
I did have an invite to A's Ancestry DNA results but that has got screwed up an is useless   waiting on getting a new invit sent by my dau.

3. A's mother has a dozen siblings
    A's mother's husbands:-  1.  I do not know...I can try to find out
                                            2. I have no idea as we know nothing concrete about him... he's the object of all this.
                                          But, I believe I know who his mother was and i have researched all that family all the sisters and their husbands and their children. 

4.  Reference party.  I believe today he would be co-respondent ?     However I am not sure that's the full story  there.
 
so: I can find about 4 or 5 more likely cousins in the 2nd to 4th range and get their backgrounds. I will take those off what matches I have access to.   I think the best list to be from the niece's listing. 

thanks Biggles  I hear you. 
Give me 24 hrs to  see what I find.   
Essnell.

[Essnell]

Hi, 
Unfortunately I am not making much progress with matches and their relatives,    And I am not sure how to work in the cM values to assist.    still pondering all of that.

I did however dig through the family of the person I believe is the original quarry's mother   from what I am able to put together she had a child in 1922 who was passed apparently to a family member to rear.  Years later she married and had  children 1 female and 4 males.  This family and some descendants are impossible to follow as there is little info that assists.  Every person connected to this group has made everything private.  Even off the match lists and some are appearing in A's match lists.  I have been able to work back into the past relationships of the man she married in the hope that someone might just acknowledge the fact that this happened.  No luck so far. 
  I would think that those matches in A's match list come via the common parent  - their mother. 

Regarding C  :   looked at what there is on his match page for a family line, and that was surprising as I  expected to find one of A's Mother's sisters.  No!!     and left it for the time being. 

okay  coffee time and more thinking.
Essnell.

 

[Biggles50]

I have built over 100 family trees trying to find who a Great Great Grandfather was.

5 years later there is one potential, but that is all, only reference is that he was in a nearby village in a  census.  Hardly supporting evidence.

Many of the others could not be linked to the family in question as the cM value did not equate.

Maybe it is soon time to park it until about March next year when the boom in DNA test results tends to occur every year.

[Essnell]

Hi again  everyone 

As Biggles50 has said  park it till ??   That is a possiblity but .... I see no way anything more will come up than there already is .  The family has closed ranks and tree after tree has exactly the same information, even 2nd -4th and 5th cousin levels reiterate .  I won't stop looking .  There has to be something.

Thanks everyone,
Essnell

[David Nicoll]

Hi,

    It sounds like you have a few matches to go through, so I would suggest some patient tree building. Ignore other people’s research, use the DNA information and see if you can make sense of the information.

[Essnell]

thanks David  ,  yes quite a lot about 650 if I check each one.    I pondered over night how to document all of that and decided it is best held in a family tree program which I have so a tree for each or a branch tree and   merge as I go.  I also considered including what I ready know re A's father and see what transpires. 
I will keep you posted to progress.
Essnell.

[Essnell]

Hi Everyone, 
Over the last few days I have been endeavouring to work out the connections between some of the matches that I am accessing via the Niece's list.  It is quite interesting.  There are two sides which are making me question why they are so.   

Ancestry is dividing the matches into parent 1 and parent 2.  in relation to A.    what  I am seeing is this. 

     parent 1    this is all A's mother's line .... they all go back at some point to the family from South Australia. 

    Parent 2    this is all A's father's mother's line.  All go back to Swan Hilll, Victoria
                There is a division in that to  her family by her documented husband. 
I know that A's father is connected to this family as they are all appearing on the DNA match lists.

       Within this part there is no connection to any outside family section.  From other points I have picked up connections to that group at a different generational level.

What I am trying to understand is how Ancestry is able to divide the matches up in this way -- with no male side. 

Does it mean that A's grandfather was a member of part of this family,  close or distant?  Not an unrelated individual.

If anyone has any thoughts on this I would appreciate hearing them  . 

Regards and thanks ,
Essnell.

[Biggles50]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVndHlIg9-Y

[Essnell]

Hi Biggles50, 
Thank you for the link.  It was really interesting. Unfortunately the presenter was a bit too quick for me. I am deaf on both sides, implant on one and aid on the other, but he was still too fast.  So I will have to watch several times to follow his reasoning.
He seems to think that Ancestry is mostly accurate - unless I missed something important.   

One thing though I still do not have a male line to follow. 

I have two ideas :- one that the father was the the man she eventually married 15 yrs later or the other-  someone from within the connected female side. 

Even though this is a small town ship there were people moving between the various outer areas into and out of the township.  A lot of them had drifted from the not too distant gold fields of Ballarat and Bendigo into the wheat farming area to the west.
I am in the process of obtaining some official Certificates as well as using indexes. Certs do have more information. 
In the interim I have been expanding information on anyone connected to anyone so the basic family has grown considerably. 

Thanks again.  Essnell.