Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)

[collwyn ap tangno]

Yes, thanks, that’s them, they’re in graig tremadog in the next census.

Spelling of ellin’s name is different but the children and ages are consistent.

Ellin’s birthplace is ynyscynhaiarn here but llanystumdwy on the other records.   

Llanfihangel y pennant caernarvonshire is not an easy parish to search. Especially the detached parts. The prenteg part records are sometimes with Beddgelert parish.

[WelshGen]

I can't find a marriage for William and Elinor unless someone else can.
The youngest child is 7 in 1851 so I assume they got married 12 months or more before his birth. If Elinor got married at the nearest church/chapel to where she lived then a search of the 1841 census in Ynyscynhaiarn or Llanystymwy may bring up one or maybe 10 Elinors of about the right age. Then you have to research each one you find to see if you can make a connection. (Is that you I can hear groaning lol). Look for 'Ty Bach' at the same time may turn up William.
A small point. It is quite possible Elinor has left home and working as a domestic.
Where did the DNA link come from? DNA doesn't lie. Is there a tree connected to that DNA you can research. If it came from Ancestry then you probably have a lot more connections.

[hanes teulu]

I can't find a marriage for William and Elinor unless someone else can.
The youngest child is 7 in 1851 so I assume they got married 12 months or more before his birth. If Elinor got married at the nearest church/chapel to where she lived then a search of the 1841 census in Ynyscynhaiarn or Llanystymwy may bring up one or maybe 10 Elinors of about the right age. Then you have to research each one you find to see if you can make a connection. (Is that you I can hear groaning lol). Look for 'Ty Bach' at the same time may turn up William.
A small point. It is quite possible Elinor has left home and working as a domestic.
Where did the DNA link come from? DNA doesn't lie. Is there a tree connected to that DNA you can research. If it came from Ancestry then you probably have a lot more connections.

Marriage Registration
Eleanor Williams, Sep Qtr 1843, Reg. Dist. Ffestiniog, 27  213 - on same page is a William Roberts

Ynyscynhaiarn falls within the Ffestiniog Registration District - sub district Tremadoc.

[collwyn ap tangno]

thanks both. The dna link is a person who is a great great grandson of these two. 33cm match , so something like a shared ancestor at 4th or 5th great grandparents.   What’s piqued my interest is that he’s only got 14 shared matches and two of these are known descendants of my dad’s dad’s family. This narrowness of this type of dna match is very useful.

[hanes teulu]

The 1851 Census has children Robert 7 (1844), Margaret 5 (1846), Elinor 4 (1847), Jane 2 (1849)
The 1861 Census has children Jane 12 (1849), Elizabeth 8 (1853), Catherine 7 (1854), Margaret 4 (1857)

Jumping ahead and assuming Roberts/Williams marriage, 1843, Ffestiniog (Merionethshire) is a possible, possible birth registration with mother's maiden name Williams is Jane Roberts, Sep Qtr 1849, Ffestiniog (Merionethshire).

Finding others Roberts who match ages on '51 and '61 Census, mother's maiden name Williams and  Reg district Ffestiniog proving somewhat difficult. There are possibilities but collectively they don't hang together.

PS - I know absolutely nothing about DNA! 

[collwyn ap tangno]

Diolch

Dna is not an exact science!

you have 6000cm ish

You have 3000cm ish from each parent

it halves each generation (ish)

cousins share 800cm ish

second cousins 400cm ish

….and so on!

[hanes teulu]

O'r diwedd dw i'n deall!!

Roberts a heck of a surname to chase in North Wales.

pob lwc

[WelshGen]

It doesn't help that Ancestry still haven't sorted out their links for Capel Curig

[collwyn ap tangno]

Gadlys llannor may work, not too far from llanystumdwy. I’ll check T ceiri griffith’s book. I’m related to the family on top of that page too😂