Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)

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hello, I’ve got a dna link on ancestry that I’m trying to fathom.

I’ve got the following: Ellis John Roberts ( born 4th october 1878 no. 2 corn hill place) son of William Roberts (born 1850 machynlleth) and Jane Roberts ( born 1851 to 1849 Tremadoc/ ynyscynhaiarn).

Jane Roberts was the daughter of William Roberts ( b1821 ynyscynhaiarn) and Ellen Roberts (nee roberts) ( born 1820 llanystumdwy). Ellen is living in corn hill in 1864 on her daughter’s ( Laura) birth record.

I don’t think I’m dna linked to the machynlleth branch. So it’s either William Roberts or Ellen Roberts that I need to find their origins.

There are no trees on ancestry that go further than this.

So to summarise: I need to find the parents of Ellen ( eleanor) Roberts born abt 1820 llanystumdwy.

or

William Roberts born about 1821 ynyscynhaiarn

There is no obvious marriage record for these two otherwise my next step was to get a certificate.

Any clues?

Diolch

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FindMyPast baptism

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Eleanor, the daughter of Will'm Roberts by Dorothy his wife, of Cefn y maesydd in the Parish of Ynys cyn haiarn, Farmer, was baptised January 6th 1822

Trancript
Place - Llanystumadwy, Denomination - Independent

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FindMyPast baptism

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Parish Church of Ynys Cynhaiarn
1821, Nov 18th, William, son of Griffith & Margaret Roberts, abode Coldy, occpn. labourer

Note - FindMyPast has transcribed "Marg't" as "Mary" in 2 instances (it has 7 entries!) but it's clearly "Marg't"

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ok, diolch yn fawr, will try these.

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cefn y meysydd is in T Ceiri Griffith.  I’ve not seen these two yet. I have found a Dorothy and william roberts in Beaumaris. Dorothy being from tremadog. Could it be these two? William is a slater not a farmer though.

If I am linked to this family it would explain many other dna links. Every dna link search tends to circle around farms around nantcyll/ hendre cennin/llecheiddor/llwyngwnadl.

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ok, diolch yn fawr, will try these.

Pam lai.

You asked for William Roberts, Ynyscynhaiarn, 1821. YoB/age can be somewhat suspect and PoB the same. Casting around for William Roberts I can see -
1. bap 14 Nov 1819, Criccieth
2. bap 18 Apr 1819, Parish Church Llanystumdwy, abode Pencarth?
3. bap 3 Feb 1819, Rhoslan Independent Llanystumdwy, abode Hendre Isaf, Llangybi parish
4 bap 19 Aug 1820, Dolbenmaen
5. bap 11 Apr 1823, Isa Garn Calvinistic Methodist, Dolbenmaen
6. bap 23 Mar 1823, Ynyscynhaiarn

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diolch eto.

Nothing has jumped out from the dorothy and william roberts (born about 1800) suggestion yet. I’ll try your other suggestions.

There’s two cefn y meusydd ( uchaf and isaf), they look like substantial farms. It could be that Dorothy and William were living there as servants.

Their prospective child's wedding record ( william roberts ynyscynhaiarn and eleanor llanystumdwy) is not obvious. Their eldest child was born 1844 so there should be wedding near this date.

Porthmadog is always a problem (same for penrhyndeudraeth!). It should be ynyscynhaiarn but often penmorfa, treflys, tremadoc(g), portmadoc.

The family dna line I’m researching is someone who is llanifihangel y pennant throughout the records, then, in his last census, gives portmadoc as place of birth!

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Porthmadog, Ynyscynhaiarn and Llanfihangel-y-pennant seem to be linked together in census.
Is this a possible
1851 CENSUS YNYSCYNHAIARN, District 5a
Ty Bach, Tremadoc
William Roberts, head, 30
Elinor, Wife, 29
Robert, son, 7
Margaret, daughter, ?
Elinor, 4
Jane, 2

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I have just added Llanfihangel-y-Pennant Chapel/cemetery to 'Find-a-Grave' as it was missing. Don't think its online at present. Website tried to keep sending me to the one near Tywyn