A non-Machell

[BridgetM]

I’m sorry for the confusion!

On his marriage certificate Robert Ernest Machell gives his parents’ names as Michael Patrick English and Irene DAVY. Because I couldn’t find a Michael Patrick English marriage to an Irene Davy I assumed he’d married Irene Dawes.

I’m now quite sure that his parents were ERNEST Patrick English and Irene Grace DAVY.

[BridgetM]

Thank you, Neale1961, for all your help!

[PatLac]

Thank you BridgetM, that makes sense. Maybe Ernest Patrick and Michael were siblings?

ENGLISH
Arth Mich
Birth
 Margt
BROWN
 Jno
CARLTON W HOSP
1899
25280/1899

ENGLISH
Ernt Patk
Birth
Margt
BROWN
 Jno
KEW
1904
26710/1904


His brother married in 1929

CURTIS
Myrtle Fanny
Marriage
ENGLISH, Arth Michael
1929
681/1929

[Neale1961]

What repeated info?

PatLac, Please re-read the thread thoroughly to avoid wasteful repetition.

[PatLac]

What repeated info?

PatLac, Please re-read the thread thoroughly to avoid wasteful repetition.

I have read the thread, maybe you could tell me what is the 'wasteful repetition' instead of repeating yourself.

[Neale1961]

Irene Grace DAVY born 1907 Hawthorn
Daughter of Faith STONE and Robert Alexander DAVY – married in 1891 Victoria

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/79804790/robert-alexander-davy

1924 Electoral rolls Kooyong, Auburn
34 Tooronga Rd
Robert Alexander DAVY – labourer
Faith DAVY – home duties

1931 Electoral rolls Kooyong, Auburn
41 Tooronga Rd
Robert Alexander DAVY – labourer
Faith DAVY – home duties
 
1936 Electoral rolls Auburn
164 Rathmines Rd
Robert Alexander DAVY – pensioner
Faith DAVY – home duties

•   Faith DAVY died in 1939

1949 Electoral rolls, Auburn
65 Victoria Rd
Robert Alexander DAVY – pensioner
A son, Arthur DAVY living with him

______________________________

1936 Electoral rolls Kooyong, Auburn
360 Auburn Rd
Eileen Myrtle MACHELL – home duties
George Alfred MACHELL - mechanic

1949 Electoral rolls Chisolm, Auburn
690 Burwood Rd
Eileen Myrtle MACHELL – home duties
George Alfred MACHELL – driver
George Francis MACHELL - Engineer
Ernest Robert MACHELL - printer

[Neale1961]

BridgetM, Do you know if your Ernest Robert knew any of his grandparents?

When Ernest Robert’s mother died, it would have been quite normal at this time, for grandparents to step in and help with the up-bringing of grandchildren.
Except that his paternal grandfather John ENGLISH had died in 1908, when Ernest Patrick was just a boy, and his grandmother Margaret seems to have never remarried. She was probably just getting by as a widow.

His Davy grandparents were quite elderly, and his maternal grandmother Faith Davy died in 1939.

They were all working class families and during the depression years would have struggled to support another child. Then when Ernest Patrick went off to the war and then died young, what was to happen to young Ernest Robert. ?

I wonder of the Davy family knew the Machell family who seem to be living in the same area.

[BridgetM]

Hi Neale1961, I’d always heard that Robert Ernest had a falling out with his family, which is why he moved in with the Machells, and changed his surname. But I’m now wondering if the Machells took him in because he had no one else? In 1943, when he enlisted in the army, he has E. M. Machell listed as his guardian.
The stories families tell, that soon become family truth. The family rift, and teenage rebellion, is certainly a more dramatic story—and one I’ve always believed.
Bridget

[sparrett]

George Francis MACHELL, the son of George Alfred and Eileen Myrtle (nee DALEY)  died 1 Apr 2020 at age 96 in Victoria, Australia.

He was possibly the friend into whose MACHELL family the young Ernest Robert moved.

George Francis enlisted for the WW2 forces in 1941 gave a birthdate of 16/2/22.

Sue