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Court Martial request. J Coleman
« on: Yesterday at 10:38 »
Nee help please!
I have quite a lot of information on James Coleman. No 4867 .2nd Batt. Hampshire Regt. Born 1878.
I am stuck on a court martial detail. According to his record on Ancestry . He was taken prisoner on 13th  Dec 1900 at Nooitgedacht. South Africa. He was released the next day.
He was court martialed for cowardice and desertion and according to his record was given 2 years in Derby prison. It looks like he was released very shortly afterwards and according to Irish civil records , got married in Oct 1901 in Cork, Ireland.
Has anyone got any details or knowledge of this soldier and more to the point any details of the Court martial proceedings and why he was released so early? I have access to ancestry and FindMyPast, however cant access any details of the actual Court martial proceedings in Pretoria in Feb 1901.
Any knowledge or views  appreciated

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Re: Court Martial request. J Coleman
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 12:17 »

For reference 1901 marriage-
9 October 1901 at St Luke's Parish Church, Cork city.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10331/5760972.pdf
Bride Honora Ryan.

Have you the birth record of the first child?
Florence - 20 July 1902
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1902/01894/1735985.pdf


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Re: Court Martial request. J Coleman
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 13:11 »
Thanks, I got the marriage record, but not the child. :)

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Re: Court Martial request. J Coleman
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 18:53 »
I assume that you have his service record from FindMyPast.

The entries below the Field General Court Martial sentence dated 28 January 1901 indicate that he was released from Derby Prison on 26 September 1901 on the authority of the Adjutant General's letter reference 110/37/199 from the department AG4 (which I assume dealt with disciplinary matters). He then continued to serve until he was finally discharged on 12 Jun 1912 having completed 16 years service and was due for a pension based on 6 years and 160 days service.

It therefore looks as if his sentence was not confirmed, or that perhaps he successfully appealed against his conviction. The National Archives do not appear to hold any documents relating to his case, which is surprising, but only a percentage of the documents relating to Courts Martial were retained. For example registers of Courts Martial held in South Africa from April 1901 exist, but I can't find the records for earlier trials.

There is an extremely small chance that a copy of the letter authorising his release still exists in the papers of the Adjutant General's Department, in series WO 162 but it would take a a very dedicated researcher to trawl through the 383 files of correspondence to see if it had been retained.

The Royal Hampshire Regiment Museum holds a number of records of service, regulations, order books, diaries, courts martial books, letter books for the period 1773-1956 which may just possibly include a reference to Pte Coleman's case.


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Re: Court Martial request. J Coleman
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 19:12 »
Thanks Andy, I wondered if him going missing then being released is in any way connected to the court martial??? On FindMyPast against his name,  there is a summary of the battle where he went missing. Since posting I have seen an ancestry reference to his court martial in Pretoria, however this is on Fold 3 and I don't have a subscription for that site

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Re: Court Martial request. J Coleman
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 21:04 »
The charges at the court martial were desertion and cowardice, so yes the fact that he was missing probably provided the grounds for these charges, or at least the desertion part.

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Re: Court Martial request. J Coleman
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 22:31 »
The battle summary suggested that around 315 men were taken prisoners, so I'm wondering why it went so wrong for him?

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Re: Court Martial request. J Coleman
« Reply #7 on: Today at 02:46 »
I have seen an ancestry reference to his court martial in Pretoria, however this is on Fold 3 and I don't have a subscription for that site

It doesn't say a lot more, but just in case it adds something:

Received from: GOC Pretoria district
Kind of CM: F Gen
Held at: Pretoria
Regiment:  2nd Hampshire Regiment (M.I.)
No, Rank & Name: 4867, Pte J Coleman
Offences: See 4 (7) Misbehaving before the enemy in such a manner as to show cowardice
Plea: NG
Finding: G
Sentence & Date: 2 Years IHL, 27-02-01
Confirmed by: M General Clements
Remarks: To IEG(?) 5-4-01  Home "Aurania" 29-3-01

NB The 'Remarks' column is written in red and directly under the first column the date '5th March' has also been written in red.
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Court Martial request. J Coleman
« Reply #8 on: Today at 07:37 »
Thanks for that information.  It would be interesting to know how he got out of jail early.  I'm surprised that he was taken back into the army after that charge.