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 Emily Hart  born in St Saviour Southwark, London April 1854 to Edward and Mary Hart.
   
Emily is recorded in the 1861 census – Surrey, Lambeth,  Relation to Head of House: Daughter. 7 year old Emily youngest daughter of Edward and Mary lived with her parents and three siblings.

In the 1871 census • Waterloo Buildings Road, Lambeth, Surrey, she  lived with her father and one brother.

 Emily Hart married Fred Keen on 18 August 1889 at the “Parish St John the Evangelist, Walworth Borough Southwark. Spouse Father Charles Keen Register Type Parish Register”

In the 1891 census  Emily lived at St Thomas, St Mary, London with her husband, Fred, no children were recorded.

By 1897 Fred Keen was living with Selina Murrells,
Baptism 09 May 1897 • St John's, Waterloo Rd, Lambeth, London When Alice was baptised her surname was entered in the register as Murrells. Parents Frederick and Selina of 26 Bazon Street, Lambeth.

In the 1901 census Fred Keen lived with 
Selina Keen ( Murrells) 34 and Alise (Alice) 4, Harry 2 and Frederick, 9 mths.

Selina Murrells died on 26 August 1901 in Southwark, Surrey, when she was 35 years old.

Fred Keen died in 1901/1902 I didn’t find a marriage certificate of Fred and Selina.  The children were taken into care after their deaths.

Emily must have died between 1891 and 1896.  Thank you for any help at locating a record of when she died,  Its Emily who is a relative of my husbands.
 
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Re: Looking for a Death Record of Emily Keen nee Hart who died between 1891 and 1896
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 17 July 25 00:24 BST (UK) »
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Emily must have died between 1891 and 1896.  Thank you for any help at locating a record of when she died,  Its Emily who is a relative of my husbands.

If she had died - Fred would have been free to marry Selina but does not appear to have done so.

Could be that Fred left Emily & took up with Selina

Have you looked for Emily in 1901 - although she may also have been living with somebody under a different surname
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Re: Looking for a Death Record of Emily Keen nee Hart who died between 1891 and 1896
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 July 25 00:37 BST (UK) »
Neither Fred nor Emily were exactly young when they married - she was 35 & he was 40.  If she was unable to have children - Selina was 18 yrs younger than Fred 
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Re: Looking for a Death Record of Emily Keen nee Hart who died between 1891 and 1896
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 July 25 04:18 BST (UK) »
Frederick Keen died March quarter 1902 , vol 01D page 192  age 54 registered Lambeth


Children
Alice Selina Keen 1897 reg. Lambeth mother's maiden name Murrells
Frederick John Keen 1898 -reg Lambeth  -- died 1897 age  0
Frederick James Keen 1899 reg. Lambeth
Harry Keen reg. 1900 Lambeth

1901 Census there is a male child named Frederick 9 months old  cannot find him on the GRO index


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Re: Looking for a Death Record of Emily Keen nee Hart who died between 1891 and 1896
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 17 July 25 07:51 BST (UK) »
Frederick JAMES Keen mmn Murrells b Sept qtr 1899 Lambeth

Frederick JOHN Keen mmn Murrells b Sept qtr 1898 Lambeth Died March qtr 1899 Lambeth

Harry Keen is 2yrs old in 1901 & Frederick is 9mths

Harry Keen mmn Murrells was b Sept qtr 1900 Lambeth so I think they have mixed up the children's ages
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Re: Looking for a Death Record of Emily Keen nee Hart who died between 1891 and 1896
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 17 July 25 09:26 BST (UK) »
Seems logical re the boys ages.

I was looking to see if Emily Keen nee Hart was living with any of her brothers and sisters.

Interesting notes - 1881 census # 3 Providence Place.
Edward Hart Jr. and his wife Mary Ann Sarah nee Cardwell married 19 December 1866 St Mary's Lambeth are living next door to
Ellen Keen 45 born Ireland  (#2 Providence Place)
Joseph 22  - Lambeth
Charles 20  - Lambeth
Mary 16   - Lambeth
Bartholomew 11  - Greenwich Kent
William   7 born Lambeth

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Re: Looking for a Death Record of Emily Keen nee Hart who died between 1891 and 1896
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 17 July 25 10:55 BST (UK) »
There is an article about the death of Frederick KEEN, 54, general labourer of 4 Doon St, Lambeth in 1902. It mentions his wife died the previous August and he had 4 children, all being taken care of by different people. No mention of  a previous marriage. He left a note, but again it doesn't mention his previous wife at all.
Wednesday,  Jan. 8, 1902
Publication: The Daily Telegraph

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Re: Looking for a Death Record of Emily Keen nee Hart who died between 1891 and 1896
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 17 July 25 11:04 BST (UK) »
Emily Keen remarried as a widow 4.10.1914 to Robert Perry. Her father recorded as Edward Hart.
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Re: Looking for a Death Record of Emily Keen nee Hart who died between 1891 and 1896
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 17 July 25 12:21 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all the information, greatly received. I was looking into the possibility that Emily remarried as  her first husband dyed in Jan 1902 left her every opportunity to marry legally.  There are a lot of Ancestry Trees that have got bits of this family in them mixed in with others of the same name.  Fortunately Frederick or Fred came from Stanford, Berkshire.  And all his records record this which, makes him easy to follow.  The Hart family came from Borough's of Lambeth and Southwark.  I will also look into the info on the 1881 census which looks promising. The children had interesting lives, the youngest was shipped of to Canada when he was about 10 with lots of other orphans. The eldest immigrated to Canada where she married. Interesting though her parent’s names were not recorded on her marriage certificate. 
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