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James Oliver brn 1833 Sithney
« on: Tuesday 15 July 25 07:16 BST (UK) »
Hi All
I am trying to find what happened to James Oliver after 1881. At this time on the census he is living with his wife Amelia and son William J in Meneage Street, Helston.

James Oliver Head Age 47 Master Cabinet Maker brn Sithney
Amelia Oliver Wife Age 30 brn Scotland
William J Oliver Son Age 8mths brn Helston

In the 1891 census Amelia his wife is located in the Falmouth Orphanage as below

Amelia Oliver WIDOW Age 40 Matron brn Arbroath Scotland

I can find no death or census entries for JAMES after the 1881 census, however I have found that JAMES was a bankrupt in 1882, this is where his story appears to end. His son William J also appears to go missing from any further censuses etc.

Any ideas or help would be appreciated

Thanks

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Re: James Oliver brn 1833 Sithney
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 15 July 25 08:09 BST (UK) »
In 1891 William James Oliver (age 10) is a student in the Reedham School for Fatherless Children in Surrey.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QNHQ-G2M?lang=en

https://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/PurleyReedham/
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
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Re: James Oliver brn 1833 Sithney
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 15 July 25 08:12 BST (UK) »
Possible death ........

OLIVER, WILLIAM  JAMES            age 11 
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in CROYDON  Volume 02A  Page 257
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: James Oliver brn 1833 Sithney
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 15 July 25 09:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks Neale1961, I have emailed the Reedham School to see if they have any records on William or his parents, It’s a long way from South West Cornwall to Croydon, but anything is possible and the ages all fit in perfectly.

Thanks for your help

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Re: James Oliver brn 1833 Sithney
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 15 July 25 13:08 BST (UK) »
Bear in mind this birth which may possibly be the 1892 death

Births Sep 1881 
OLIVER    William James      Camberwell    1d   842  his mmn was Gathercole.  Parents were Alfred John & Ellen Ann

Deaths Sep 1884   
Oliver    Alfred John    30    Camberwell    1d   544

 
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Re: James Oliver brn 1833 Sithney
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 15 July 25 14:27 BST (UK) »
Agreed. You won’t know until you look at the record.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGZ5-FC4V?lang=en
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: James Oliver brn 1833 Sithney
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 15 July 25 14:30 BST (UK) »
Have you found Amelia on any censuses after 1891? 
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Re: James Oliver brn 1833 Sithney
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 15 July 25 14:32 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Tuesday 15 July 25 08:12 BST (UK)
Possible death ........

OLIVER, WILLIAM  JAMES            age 11 
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in CROYDON  Volume 02A  Page 257

Can't add an image as this is in look up section - image can be viewed on Anc*y
Surrey, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1997

William James Oliver Burial 22 Feb 1892 St John Coulsdon, Surrey

Non conformist funeral
William James OLIVER age 11
abode Reedham Asylum
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Re: James Oliver brn 1833 Sithney
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 15 July 25 14:58 BST (UK) »
Mother Amelia remarries 1894 to John Joseph Moyses Stephens.

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