Anyone researching Goodman and Smith in Leicester

[Aquitaine]

Hi Annie 65115

Thank you for looking but I dont think its her.  We have her up to 1891in Leicester.
If you have change, if you dont mind would you look for Edward Goodman died 1888 that is one if you cant dont worry.  Its all taking shape after 4 or so years! Thank you for your time.

A.

[rosie99]

Edward Goodman
Age 39
Burial date 11 Aug 1888
Description Welford Road Cemetery
...

Joseph  Smith
Age 56
Burial date ? May 1876
Welford Road Cemetery
OR
Joseph Smith
Age 49
Burial date ? Oct 1869
Welford Road Cemetery

[Annie65115]

Hi Annie 65115

Thank you for looking but I dont think its her.  We have her up to 1891in Leicester.


A.

Sorry, I'm not sure I follow you -- the date of burial that I gave you was 1915, for an Elizabeth in Kensington St, which you had mentioned as possibly your earlier in the thread.

[Annie65115]

Edward Goodman shares a grave with membersof the Croxall family.

Plot cN 2515, Welford Rd:
CROXALL   WILLIAM   1874   APR   29   73   CRAVEN STREET   SAINT MARGARET   
GOODMAN   EDWARD   1888   AUG   11   39   MANSFIELD STREET   SAINT MARGARET   
CROXALL   HANNAH JANE   1888   DEC   19   18MTHS   BELGRAVE GATE   SAINT MARGARET   
CROXTALL   GERTRUDE ELIZABETH   1891   JAN   15   1   BELGRAVE GATE   SAINT MARGARET   
CROXALL   FREDERICK   1891   JAN   26   1   BELGRAVE GATE   SAINT MARGARET   
HARRIS   FREDERICK THOMAS CROXALL   1899   MAR   8   4MTHS   CRANBOURNE STREET   LEICESTER   
BAXTER   GRACE ELIZABETH   1950   FEB   27   69   38 ST. JAMES ROAD   LEICESTER   

[rosie99]

1901 Kensington Street
Edward   Smith   36   occ House painter   
Frances E   Smith   Dtr   8   
Elizabeth   Smith   Mother 75   Widow      
Joseph   Smith   Brother 51   Widower   
Clara   Smith Niece   19   
all born Leicestershire
...

The same Elizabeth with son Joseph in 1861 Leicester
John   Smith 38   bn Earl Shilton, Leicestershire
Elizabeth Smith   36   bn Leicester
Joseph Smith   11   bn Leicester
Ann   Smith 3   bn Leicester
William Smith   Visitor 20   bn Rothwell, Northamptonshire

Her death entry in the paper in 1915 mentions that her husband was John (not Joseph)

[rosie99]

Here they are in 1871 with their son Edward SMITH
John   Smith. 46      Chimney sweep   Earl Shilton, Leicestershire
Elizabeth   Smith  46   
Enoch   Smith 16   
Ann   Smith 13   
Edward Smith   6   

[Aquitaine]

Good Evening

Amazed at the response and for all your hard efforts. I tell you this family is driving me mad! I am going to look at the latest additions just to say here is copy about the marriage it was a Joseph Smith indeed that married Elizabeth Goodman

Marriage
17 Nov 1858 • Register Office Leicester

GRO Leicester Joseph Smith 30 yrs bachelor Shoemaker 20 Baker Street Belgravegate Leicester his father Joseph Smith Shoemaker married Ann Elizabeth Goodman Spinster 23 yrs 19 Baker Street Belgravegate Leicester her father John Goodman (dec) bricklayer

Does this complicate things even more? 

A.

[Annie65115]

Things don't add up here.

Ann Elizabeth Goodman married Joseph Smith in 1858; Joseph was a shoemaker. Ann was 23, Joseph 30.

1861 census: Elizabeth (age 36) and John (46) Smith (a chimneysweep) have children including an 11 year old son.

These have to be two different families.

which one is yours, Aquitaine?

[Annie65115]

So I've had a harder look. Aquitaine, why do you think that the Elizabeth Smith who died in Kensington St in 1915, and who (according to the paper) was the widow of John Smith, had the maiden name Goodman?

Tracing back, this is what I see:
1911- Elizabeth S at Kensington St with son Edward who is 46.
1901 - Same address, sons Edward age 36 and Joseph age 51.
1891 - Orchard St, son Joseph age 41.
1881 - Orchard St - son Edward age 16, husband John (chimney sweep).
1871 - Orchard St - son Enocks Enoch age 16, Edward age 6; daughter Ann age 13; husband John age 46.

11 July 1847; John SMITH m Elizabeth MATTOCKat St Margaret. Both of full age; John a chimney sweep. NO father given for John; Elizabeth's father was Joseph Mattock, a carpenter. Witnesses John and Elizabeth Baines.

Children with surname Smith and mmn Mattock (or v similar):
Joseph (1849) (Maddock)
Enoch (1854) (Maddocks)
Edward (1864) (Mattick)
and possibly Ann (1857) (Mattil)

In 1861, 6 year old Enock Smith is with his grandmother Alice Mattock.

I'd suggest that EITHER your Elizabeth died in Kensington St, had the maiden name Mattock, and is nothing to do with any Goodmans
OR your Elizabeth was a different person altogether (and didn't die in Kensington St!)

I think it depends really on the evidence you're using for which is your Elizabeth. But clearly there are at least 2 different Smith families muddled throughout this thread.