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Re: Albert E Webb
« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 July 25 02:17 BST (UK) »
Just to help if looking for a death for Albert Edward WEBB - His parents appear to be James and Eliza (nee PALMER). His birth registration Jun qtr 1872 Islington (1b/348).

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Re: Albert E Webb
« Reply #10 on: Monday 14 July 25 02:28 BST (UK) »
And he was a butcher.  ::)

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865498.0


Have you managed to rule out this one?

   Name:   Age at Death (in years): 
   WEBB, ALBERT  EDWARD     53 
GRO Reference: 1926  M Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 247

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Re: Albert E Webb
« Reply #11 on: Monday 14 July 25 09:14 BST (UK) »
I was just looking at his birth record  ;D

WEBB, ALBERT  EDWARD     SPARROW 
GRO Reference: 1870  J Quarter in WELLS  Volume 05C  Page 610

Sorry, i realise that i should have shared more - thanks for all pitching in. Attached is the GRO reference for his birth certificate. i'll update a bit later, i'm on the road and computer-less

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Re: Albert E Webb
« Reply #12 on: Monday 14 July 25 10:20 BST (UK) »
so, this is really 2 questions, isn't it… one about the guy on the boat, and the other about my great-grandfather. Honestly, i've almost given up on him, but in addition to the stuff already posted, i can say he was in the 1881 census at 56-58 St Jude St, Kingsland, but somehow the house got left off the 1891 census, so he doesn't appear on that. Already a slippery beggar :-)

The he & Polly married in 1892, had 2 children die under a month old at 77 Shacklewell Lane (he is a master butcher on the b/c.s), decamped to Brighton, where my grandfather was born. He was a journeyman butcher when he registered that birth. Then Polly registered the 1897 birth herself & in the 1901 census is head of house.

i did a ton of searching during Covid for AEWebbs in the 1901 & 1911 census and i'm pretty sure i was able to connect ALL of them to an 1891 entry, i.e. not my g-g/father. But, you know, proving a negative is hard and i was just starting then…

i have just assumed since then that he either left the country or changed his name. (i looked at 1921 when it came out, but cursorily, b/c i'd more-or-less decided he had gone)

The topic person of this post is my last loose end before i decide whether to do it all over again, say, with a different census provider.

Or wait for some DNA luck.

When i get home next week i'll try and respond to the individual suggestions, but a couple of them look new, so that's interesting


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Re: Albert E Webb
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 July 25 08:53 BST (UK) »
Now in front of the computer :-)

Attached is my notes from the 1901 census; they're a bit cryptic, but these are the Ancestry returns for a broad name search on Albert Edward Webb, born 1872 </- 5 years, in Middlesex. Those entries that DONT have an exclusion note is because they can be definitely linked to people other than him in the 1891 census. I've done the same for 1911 & 1921 with the same lack of success. So, I'm fairly confident he either left the country OR majorly changed his identity. In the latter case, I'm stuck until DNA turns up something, but in the former, it MIGHT be possible to track him down; I've found that obituaries in particular can turn up a lot of details & may even confess to past families.

Hence my interest in the Ortona passenger list.

I am also checking into the 1926 death certificates mentioned by PatLac (there were two, I discovered) in the interests of i-dotting but based on the census research, I'm not optimistic.

I note that Maddys52 turned up a couple of Australian candidates (even if they ended up with the wrong parents) in the blink of an eye; I know I've done some searching in the Australian records, but I don't remember them, so perhaps I should revisit that option. BDM is state-based, right? Maybe I missed a couple of them. I know I looked at the Ryerson index, but to no avail.

No Y-DNA matches have turned up, but that doesn't mean a lot unfortunately. And so far none of the autosomal test results have made a connection that leads back to Albert (his brothers & his wife, yes).

I'll update again when the death certificates turn up. Meantime, if anyone has advice on Australian resources, I'm certainly not au fait with them; most of what I've done has been UK-based to date


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Re: Albert E Webb
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 22 July 25 11:11 BST (UK) »
You are correct that Australian birth death and marriage records are State based. Different information is available on the search indexes, and on death certificates. For what can be found on death certificates in different States:
https://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

For death records in each State, here are some links (these are probably all on the Resources page)
NSW BDM:
https://www.nsw.gov.au/family-and-relationships/family-history-search

Queensland BDM:
https://www.familyhistory.bdm.qld.gov.au/

Victoria BDM:
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/search-your-family-history

Western Australia:
https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-justice/online-index-search-tool

Tasmania:
https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/

South Australia:
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search

Newspapers can be found on trove (generally up to 1954, though some are later):
https://trove.nla.gov.au/

Later newspapers are harder to search without a subscription or access with a Library Card, though google news archives has Sydney Morning Herald, The Age (Melbourne).
https://news.google.com/newspapers

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Re: Albert E Webb
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 22 July 25 11:52 BST (UK) »
double plus thanks - i'll have to be a bit more systematic, i think. it's a needle in a haystack really… but you can't be lucky by not trying :)

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Re: Albert E Webb
« Reply #16 on: Monday 28 July 25 01:09 BST (UK) »

Have you managed to rule out this one?

   Name:   Age at Death (in years): 
   WEBB, ALBERT  EDWARD     53 
GRO Reference: 1926  M Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 247

There were 2 deaths in Portsmouth of AEWebbs in 1926; this one is disqualified from being "mine" b/c his death was reported by his brother and the initials don't match anybody in my family. The other one has a long stable history (via census) in Portsmouth with a large family that would implausibly overlap my target's life history in London & Brighton

It really reinforced for me how many AEWebbs there have been...

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