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James Joseph Murphy - help!
« on: Thursday 10 July 25 15:18 BST (UK) »

On 6th Aug 1905 James Joseph Murphy, 30, bachelor, labourer, son of Thomas Murphy, station master married Edith Jane Davison at St Lukes Church, Chelsea.  The couple used the bride's home address and the witnesses were her family. 

By 1911 the bride was back with her mother, using her maiden name and saying single, all later census entries she's still using her maiden name but describes herself as widowed. I haven't been able to trace James Joseph Murphy at all.  Any help would be appreciated.   
Davison - London
South - London, Hampshire
Sharp(e) - Hertfordshire, Suffolk
Lee - Ireland, London
Edwards - Wiltshire, London
Bickers - London, Norfolk, Suffolk
Murray - London

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Re: James Joseph Murphy - help!
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 10 July 25 15:26 BST (UK) »
Have you tried searching without his surname but with year of birth.  That's how I found a couple of missing ancestors - then again it didn't work for some Irish ones that I assume went back to Ireland.

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Re: James Joseph Murphy - help!
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 July 25 15:27 BST (UK) »
What about the previous census.?

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Re: James Joseph Murphy - help!
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 July 25 15:29 BST (UK) »
Did they have any children by 1911?

Doesn't sound like it worked out at all does it.  If he was Irish he could have gone back home or travelled abroad.

Any sign of his father Thomas station master on 1911 census?
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Re: James Joseph Murphy - help!
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 July 25 15:41 BST (UK) »

No children that survived - I'll check the GRO for births that didn't survive to 1911. 

I haven't found JJM anywhere for certain, I've got nothing to go on really but will focus on his reputed father.  There are plenty of J J Murphys! Let's see if having a station master as a dad helps ...

Thanks chaps!
Davison - London
South - London, Hampshire
Sharp(e) - Hertfordshire, Suffolk
Lee - Ireland, London
Edwards - Wiltshire, London
Bickers - London, Norfolk, Suffolk
Murray - London

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Re: James Joseph Murphy - help!
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 July 25 17:41 BST (UK) »
There is this James Murphy b 1875 ( no Joseph though) with father Thomas, a Railway Porter

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1875/03099/2136280.pdf

In 1901, that Thomas Murphy is a Station Master
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Ferns/Ferns_Lower/1789002/

Thomas dies before 1911 - son Frank is the informant.
You can find the record on Irish genealogy.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/

There is nothing yet though to indicate it is your man.
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Re: James Joseph Murphy - help!
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 July 25 17:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you.  As you say, nothing to confirm this is the right family but it's certainly close. 
Davison - London
South - London, Hampshire
Sharp(e) - Hertfordshire, Suffolk
Lee - Ireland, London
Edwards - Wiltshire, London
Bickers - London, Norfolk, Suffolk
Murray - London

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Re: James Joseph Murphy - help!
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 July 25 18:14 BST (UK) »
If the Thomas Murphy in Ferns is correct then age/birthdate and date of death don't match up-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05426/4516646.pdf
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Re: James Joseph Murphy - help!
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 July 25 18:22 BST (UK) »
There are these transcript on Anc*y

Elizabeth Murphy
Birth Date   4 Aug 1880
Birth Place   Stationhouse, Wexford, Ireland
Father    Thomas Murphy
Mother   Mary Cosgrave Murphy

James Murphy
Birth Date   9 May 1875
Birth Place   Wexford, Ireland
Father   Thomas Murphy
Mother   Mary Cosgrave
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