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How quickly could Hawkers travel in Victorian era?
« on: Wednesday 09 July 25 11:31 BST (UK) »
My GF was born in Poole, Dorset in April of either 1876 or 1877 – baptised in Llanaber, north-west Wales in July 1877. Given his parents were Hawkers, is it feasible at that period they could or would have travelled the 200+ miles when he was just a few weeks old, if born April 1877, or is it more likely he was born April 1876? Presume as Hawkers they would have travelled on horseback/pony and cart? Train? Appreciate any thoughts. 

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Re: How quickly could Hawkers travel in Victorian era?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 10 July 25 13:05 BST (UK) »
A man and his wife could easily stroll ten miles every morning carrying goods and baby.

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Re: How quickly could Hawkers travel in Victorian era?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 July 25 13:27 BST (UK) »
Even further in a day with horse and cart.

Have you checked for a birth reg GRO?
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Re: How quickly could Hawkers travel in Victorian era?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 July 25 15:11 BST (UK) »
What was his name?

Have you the parents names or just occupation of hawker.
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos


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Re: How quickly could Hawkers travel in Victorian era?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 July 25 17:51 BST (UK) »
Given the occupation and the uncertainty of the year, the earlier date would seem more likely.  A birth record is clearly the thing to look for.  Poole and Llanaber are both near the coast, so a coasting vessel might be another possibility - more likely than train IMHO ?
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Re: How quickly could Hawkers travel in Victorian era?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 July 25 18:05 BST (UK) »
There was also the railway,  there wasn’t a direct route but lots of small connecting railways.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: How quickly could Hawkers travel in Victorian era?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 July 25 19:59 BST (UK) »
Thanks all for comments. My GF was Frank Dymond (Titanic survivor); none of his parents eight children were registered at birth although some birth dates/years were given in various places, e.g. Royal Navy records for Frank and a brother, death record for a two-year old sister, although how reliable they are is not always easy to judge. As Hawkers, my GGPs moved a lot around the west of England and Wales and I have a good timeline for much of their life – e.g. they were in Exeter in 1871 (Census), Poole where Frank was born in Apr 1876 or 7, Llanaber (parish, so probably lived in Barmouth) by Jul 1877 (baptism) where they stayed until at least Aug 1879 (baptism of brother), Gloucester by Jun 1880 (birth of brother), Wrexham by Apr 1881 (Census), and in Bristol by May  1883 (court report) – however they were travelling, they were certainly mobile. All places on existing train network (Barmouth station just opened in 1867) and all ports (although Barmouth by this time was a fading boat-building centre) so either of those options possible, as well as horse. Maybe a mix of modes as they needed.

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Re: How quickly could Hawkers travel in Victorian era?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 July 25 23:24 BST (UK) »
Does that 1881 census entry help with the age ? It should be accurate although it will only be the number the parents quoted ... but if it's April it will be uncomfortably near the birthday.
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Re: How quickly could Hawkers travel in Victorian era?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 11 July 25 16:07 BST (UK) »
He is listed as 4 in 1881

Baptism 21 July 1877

Find a grave - if he died in Southampton 19 Jun 1947 - has birth 1 Apr 1876

Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos