I've just been following this up by looking at the tithe maps from 1838. This confirms that the Clipsley Brook is the border between Haydock and Ashton in that area.
In Haydock I can see the following as land occupiers:
David Twist
Thomas Twist
James Twist
Joseph Twist
William Twist
Hi Alan,
This is brilliant stuff. Thanks so much
The names
TWISS and TWIST were very much interchangeable in the first half of the 19th century (and beyond actually). I'm pretty sure that all the men you mentioned are my guys. Their names and the names of their descendants seem to settle with the spelling of TWISS. Ironically, I do have the name TWIST in my family tree but my TWISTs are, so far, separate from my TWISS'.
This is who I think the TWIST/TWISS men are from the 1838 Tithe Maps;
Brothers
James 1780 - 1854
Thomas 1784 - 1851
Joseph 1789 - 1866
David 1792 - 1852
William 1802 - possibly died in 1839 (I'm struggling with William)
Their parents;
Thomas TWIST/TWISS 1753 - 1829 and Sarah nee KNOWLES 1759 - 1850.
James (the eldest brother to survive infancy)
b. 1780 has been interesting me recently. I've found out that he was the landlord of the Waggon and Horses Inn on Clipsley Lane. He was the landlord on the 41 and 51 census, and when he died in 1854. He might have been the original landlord of the pub because I don't think it had been standing long in 1841. On the index for James' will it says he was a publican and a farmer. I've ordered the will from Lancashire Record Office.
Thomas b. 1784 was a collier who lived on Clipsley Lane. This is the brother I'm descended from.
Speaking of
Clipsley Lane; on the 1841 Census, there's a page where James TWISS b. 1780, his wife, Sarah, Joseph TWISS b. 1789, his wife, Mary, (plus a large household of children and grandchildren), Thomas TWISS b. 1784, his wife, Anne, + two children, and a married nephew of the brothers, David Baines (who was a son of Ellen TWISS, a sister of the TWISS brothers) and family are all living next-door to each other.
Joseph b. 1789 appears with different occupations from census to census. In 41 he's an engineer, in 51 he's a basket maker, and in 61 he's an engine driver. He lived on or near Clipsley Lane. He had a very busy household with lots of children and grandchildren. He died in a cholera outbreak in 1866 with his wife and one of his adult sons.
David b. 1792 was a collier and a farmer of 8 acres who lived at Smithy Houses. On the 1841 census, David either lives with or next-door to the brothers' mother, Sarah nee KNOWLES.
William b. 1802. I'm very uncertain about William. I'm certain he existed and was born in 1802, but I've got more work to do. I've got two William TWISS/TWIST death certificates for 1839, one in Newton, and one in Parr. One or neither of them might be William.
It's interesting that you mention
Stone Row. That feels like such a significant location in my family tree. It crops up from generation to generation with many of my family and ancestors living there.
Rowan Tree
P.S. Apologies for my slow reply. I'm full of a cough and cold and feeling rather grotty. Family history is cheering me up, though.
