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Re: 1848 TWISS Birth Certificate. Where in Ashton-in-Makerfield???
« Reply #9 on: Monday 07 July 25 17:18 BST (UK) »
Has anyone heard of Judge Field Brow in Ashton-in-Makerfield, or know where it was/is?
1851
HO107
Piece  2201
Folio 236
Page 17
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ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: 1848 TWISS Birth Certificate. Where in Ashton-in-Makerfield???
« Reply #10 on: Monday 07 July 25 17:19 BST (UK) »
More or less in the middle of this old map, between Old Florida and Clipsley Lane. Close to the Toll Gate (TG)
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Re: 1848 TWISS Birth Certificate. Where in Ashton-in-Makerfield???
« Reply #11 on: Monday 07 July 25 17:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Shaun!

That's fascinating. I'm now trying to decide if I'm confused or if everything has just become clear.

Clipsley Lane is below Judge Field Brow on the map. As far as I'm aware, Clipsley Lane has always been in Haydock. I have members of the TWISS family living on Clipsley Lane in Haydock on the 1841 Census.

On this map you can see Old Florida and Old Boston north of Judge Field Brow. And there's rather helpfully a label of Haydock near Old Boston. Again, as far as I know, Florida and Boston have always been in Haydock.

So, as Judge Field Brow is above Clipsley Lane and below Florida, doesn't that mean that Judge Field Brow is in Haydock?

If I'm missing something obvious, feel free to point it out  ???

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P.S. What year is this map from, please?
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: 1848 TWISS Birth Certificate. Where in Ashton-in-Makerfield???
« Reply #12 on: Monday 07 July 25 17:56 BST (UK) »
On this 1840s OS map you can see Judgefield Brow just above the Hare and Hounds Inn

https://maps.nls.uk/view/102344075#zoom=6.2&lat=3137&lon=6266&layers=BT
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Re: 1848 TWISS Birth Certificate. Where in Ashton-in-Makerfield???
« Reply #14 on: Monday 07 July 25 18:02 BST (UK) »
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Re: 1848 TWISS Birth Certificate. Where in Ashton-in-Makerfield???
« Reply #15 on: Monday 07 July 25 18:04 BST (UK) »
Yes, I can. That's fab. Thanks  :)

What's particularly helpful with this map is that I can see a boundary line just above "Judgefield Brow." The boundary appears to follow the line of the Clipsley Brook.

If I'm reading this map correctly, Ashton is north of the Clipsley Brook, and Haydock is south of the Clipsley Brook.

Many thanks to you, Shaun  :)
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: 1848 TWISS Birth Certificate. Where in Ashton-in-Makerfield???
« Reply #16 on: Monday 07 July 25 18:05 BST (UK) »
Shaun, you're a star!

That's such a lot of information and it's incredibly helpful.

Thanks for your help with this one - I needed it  :)
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: 1848 TWISS Birth Certificate. Where in Ashton-in-Makerfield???
« Reply #17 on: Monday 07 July 25 20:13 BST (UK) »
I've just been following this up by looking at the tithe maps from 1838. This confirms that the Clipsley Brook is the border between Haydock and Ashton in that area.

In Haydock I can see the following as land occupiers:
David Twist
Thomas Twist
James Twist
Joseph Twist
William Twist

Using this map as reference

https://maps.nls.uk/view/102344075#zoom=6.9&lat=3166&lon=6434&layers=BT

David Twist (nine plots) is located at the house and strip of land starting below the 'w' of Stone Row and extending north beside the label for Pear Tree House.

Thomas Twist has four plots,  and they are scattered

James Twist (thirteen plots) is a little to the east of David Twist, south of Clipsley Row on the linked map

Joseph Twist (two plots) is just across the road from David Twist

William Twist (two plots) to the NE of David Twist in the New Florida area.
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