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Re: Poss census and marriage records
« Reply #9 on: Monday 13 October 25 00:25 BST (UK) »
Have you looked on SP as advised in earlier replies?   Are the images from your own research or have you copied them from somebody else's tree?

 
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Re: Poss census and marriage records
« Reply #10 on: Monday 13 October 25 00:49 BST (UK) »
It looks as if you are copying from someone's public tree which is full of errors, and has no supporting documentation. That’s a waste of time.


John Charles MacDonald who died in 1960 in East Glamorgan (as seen on your screenshot)
was born in Penzance, Cornwall in 1878. (Not Scotland)

He married Beatrice Maud Stacey in 1904 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, WAles. (Not Scotland)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
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Re: Poss census and marriage records
« Reply #11 on: Monday 13 October 25 00:55 BST (UK) »
Birth certificate available
MACDONALD, JOHN  CHARLES               Mother's maiden name - TRIGGS 
GRO Reference: 1878  J Quarter in PENZANCE  Volume 05C  Page 297

His baptism record has the following
John Charles MacDonald
5 Jul 1878
Penzance, St Mary
 Born 6 April ‘78
Father – Charles (Mariner)
Mother - Elizabeth Ann
Residence – Summer Court
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Poss census and marriage records
« Reply #12 on: Monday 13 October 25 10:00 BST (UK) »
Go back to the original documents.

In the births index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk lists a birth of James Dempsey Forrester in 1905 in Greenock East, mother's maiden surname Carrigan. See screenshot. Therefore whoever drew up that tree had not bothered even to look at the index at Scotland's People, therefore you cannot and must not trust it to be correct.

Others have shown that the John Charles Macdonald who died in Wales in 1960 is not the one born in Greenock in 1882. Another indication that this tree is a load of nonsense.

Do not waste your time (or ours) on it.

Who, exactly, is your own ancestor, and what proof do you have?
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.


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Re: Poss census and marriage records
« Reply #13 on: Monday 13 October 25 10:11 BST (UK) »
PS according to the 1881 census, John Charles Macdonald's father Charles Macdonald was also born in Cornwall.

Charles Macdonald and Elizabeth Ann Triggs were married in Penzance in 1875. You can order a copy of the marriage certificate from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp#Results

It will tell you the names of the couple's father but unlike a Scottish marriage certificate it won't tell you the names of their mothers.

It looks as if Charles Macdonald's parents were John Macdonald and Elizabeth Hebberd or Hebbert, and that he was born in Penzance in 1852. His father John was also born in Cornwall.

There is no evidence so far from the primary sources to suggest any link between John Charles Macdonald, born 1878 in Penzance, to any family in Greenock or anywhere else in Scotland during the 1800s.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Poss census and marriage records
« Reply #14 on: Monday 13 October 25 11:45 BST (UK) »
Hi there
Mornin i was just hoping someone could look up Charles on 1901 and 1911 census and if he married in Scotland by looks of dates above it doesnt look like it
Id be on Ancestry and do all the look ups etc but ive recently been laid off so money is tight so appreciate any help or look ups i get
All the best

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Re: Poss census and marriage records
« Reply #15 on: Monday 13 October 25 12:05 BST (UK) »
I would willingly look up John Charles Macdonald in the 1901 census if I knew which John Charles Macdonald you are looking for.

I've already posted the index listings of all the marriages of John Charles M(a)cdonalds from the Scotland's People web site. There are 13 of them. No-one is going to spend their own credits looking up 13 marriages for you, even though each lookup only costs a fraction of the cost of a cup of coffee. They might perhaps be generous enough to look up one if they knew what the wife's surname was.

But if your John Charles Macdonald was the one born in Penzance and died in Wales, it would be a waste of money for you, or any helpful person, to look up any of them.

And by the way, there is no record of a birth of a Charles M*cdonald or a John Charles M*cdonald in Greenock East, Greenock West, Port Glasgow or anywhere else in Renfrewshire in 1882. Which means that the birth in the tree not only isn't the right person, it doesn't exist at all.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Poss census and marriage records
« Reply #16 on: Monday 13 October 25 13:15 BST (UK) »
Hi there
Mornin i was just hoping someone could look up Charles on 1901 and 1911 census and if he married in Scotland by looks of dates above it doesnt look like it
Id be on Ancestry and do all the look ups etc but ive recently been laid off so money is tight so appreciate any help or look ups i get
All the best

There is no financial cost to look up your Charles yourself, but you will have to make a small effort, and spend a little time.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/home/portal/
Details have already been posted for you, but you will have to make the effort to read it all.

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Poss census and marriage records
« Reply #17 on: Monday 13 October 25 18:16 BST (UK) »
Hi there
Mornin i was just hoping someone could look up Charles on 1901 and 1911 census and if he married in Scotland by looks of dates above it doesnt look like it
Id be on Ancestry and do all the look ups etc but ive recently been laid off so money is tight so appreciate any help or look ups i get
All the best

There is no financial cost to look up your Charles yourself, but you will have to make a small effort, and spend a little time.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/home/portal/
Details have already been posted for you, but you will have to make the effort to read it all.



There is also https://www.freecen.org.uk/ which is free, coverage is on page.  If you have Cornish ancestry, as mentioned above, this resource is very good. 

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/ which is also free.
Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Squire/Thomas/Williams/Bowen/Lewis/Davies/Jones/Rees/Morgan/Lloyd - Glamorgan
Lewis/Davies - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland