TWISS or TWIST of Haydock, Lancashire. 1841 Census

[Rowan Tree]

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone is able to help me find someone on the 1841 Census?

I have Sarah TWISS (sometimes TWIST) b. 01/10/1815 in Haydock.

I've found two illegitimate daughter's of Sarah:

Esther TWISS d. of Richard Cunliffe b. 05/02/1834 in Haydock
Hannah TWISS, unknown father, b. 23/01/1840 in Haydock

On the 1841 Census, Esther b. 1834, is living with her maternal TWISS grandparents, multiple aunts & uncles, and a cousin in Haydock.

But, I can't find Sarah TWISS or Hannah TWISS anywhere on the 1841 Census. It doesn't look like they're in Haydock, though.

By 1851, Sarah has married (in Manchester, 1844) and is living in Chorlton-upon-Medlock with her husband, Henry Foley.

By 1861, Sarah has been widowed and has remarried (in Pendleton, 1858). She's living in Stockport with her second husband, James Rigby.

In 1871, Sarah is still with James Rigby and living in Pennington.

In 1881, Sarah is widowed and living with the 'Corner' family in Pennington.

In 1891, Sarah is living alone in Haydock. On the same census page as Sarah is a TWISS family and a TWIST family.

In 1901, Sarah is living with the 'Corner' family in Oldham.

Sarah died in Oldham in 1901.

Does anyone think they may have a death for Hannah? And does anyone think they may have Sarah, and possibly Hannah on the 1841 Census?

Many thanks in advance, Rowan Tree 

Census details:

Esther and the TWISS family in 1841:
Class: HO107; Civil Parish: Winwick; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 8; Page: 10; Line: 17; GSU roll: 306910

1851:
Class: HO107; Piece: 2220; Folio: 1225; Page: 34

1861:
Class: RG 9; Piece: 2570; Folio: 42; Page: 6; GSU roll: 542991

1871:
Class: RG10; Piece: 4009; Folio: 18; Page: 31; GSU roll: 846105

1881:
Class: RG11; Piece: 3807; Folio: 28; Page: 50; GSU roll: 1341910

1891:
Class: RG12; Piece: 3071; Folio: 25; Page: 44; GSU roll: 6098181

1901:
Class: RG13; Piece: 3807; Folio: 114; Page: 39

[AlanBoyd]

I think you must have already found this, so how have you ruled it out?

At Hampton, Malpas, Nantwich there is a Sarah Twiss 25, female servant in the household of Daniel Ruscoe, farmer. She is not born in county (Ancestry has Cheshire, but the entry is clearly N.)

No sign of Hannah there.

[AlanBoyd]

For Hannah Twiss daur of Sarah there is a baptism record for Winwick and another for Ashton in Makerfield  (2nd child, 2nd daughter, and which gives Sarah's address as Old Florida Street Haydock). Its not clear that these are the same baptism, altough neither gives a father's name.

However in 1841 there is a Hannah Twiss age 11 months in the household of Thomas (35) and Jane Twiss in Golborne. Her 'where born' is blank. Did Sarah have a brother Thomas? [Family is transcribed as "Swiss" at A**y]

There is also an 1841 death record for a Hannah Twiss age 1, Wigan.

[Rowan Tree]

I think you must have already found this, so how have you ruled it out?

At Hampton, Malpas, Nantwich there is a Sarah Twiss 25, female servant, in the household of Daniel Ruscoe, farmer. She is not born in county (Ancestry has Cheshire, but the entry is clearly N.)

Hi and thanks, Alan,

Believe it or not, I didn't already have this. I've clearly missed something obvious here.

I was so focused on Lancashire, I was totally blinded to the possibility of Sarah living/working in Cheshire.

I really think this is my Sarah.

Onto Hannah in a moment,

K 

[Rowan Tree]

For Hannah Twiss daur of Sarah there is a baptism record for Winwick and another for Ashton in Makerfield  (2nd child, 2nd daughter, and which gives Sarah's address as Old Florida Street Haydock). Its not clear that these are the same baptism, altough neither gives a father's name.

However in 1841 there is a Hannah Twiss age 11 months in the household of Thomas (35) and Jane Twiss in Golborne. Her 'where born' is blank. Did Sarah have a brother Thomas? [Family is transcribed as "Swiss" at A**y]

There is also an 1841 death record for a Hannah Twiss age 1, Wigan.

Winwick (pronounced without the second 'w') can be confusing to anyone outside of the area.

St. Oswald, Winwick was, once upon a time, the parish church of multiple places (not just Winwick).

I believe the parish of Winwick once covered 25,000 acres and had a population of over 20,000 (I'm quoting from The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland 1868).

The parishes of Ashton-in-Makerfield, Newton-in-Makerfield (now Newton-le-Willows), and Southworth-with-Croft weren't distinct parishes with their own parish churches. St. Oswald, Winwick was the parish church to all the places I just mentioned. Even when those places built proper, stone churches, St. Oswald remained the parish church. For example, the oldest church in Newton-le-Willows isn't and never has been the parish church of Newton because even after it was completed, St. Oswald remained the parish church.

The baptism of Hannah took place in St. Thomas, Ashton-in-Makerfield, but at the time, St. Thomas hadn't become the parish church of Ashton. It was still a chapel of ease to St. Oswald. That's why it appears as if there were two baptisms, but there wasn't.

Sarah did have a brother named Thomas, but he was only 6 years old in 1841.

Sarah had an Uncle Thomas Twiss b. 23/12/1784. This Thomas is married to Ann and living in Haydock on the 1841 Census.

Sarah had more than one cousin named, Thomas Twiss, but I've ruled those out because they're either still children in 1841, or because they died before 1841.

The Thomas you've highlighted could be a member of the same family but a more extended member of the family. I'll take a look and see what I find. I'll also look at the death you mentioned.

Many, many thanks,

Rowan Tree 

[Rowan Tree]

It looks like I can rule out the Hannah Twiss in Golborne in 1841.

She was born 06/06/1840. For anyone interested in this Hannah, her name was recorded as TWIST in the baptism register.

[Rowan Tree]

There is also an 1841 death record for a Hannah Twiss, age 1, Wigan.

Alan,

I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I can't find this death. Are you able to give me all the details from the registration, please (quarter, volume and so on)?

Thanks 

[Rowan Tree]

I've found the following death registration;

Hannah TWISS
Jan-Feb-Mar Q
Wigan
Volume 21
Page 619

But no matter what I do, I can't get this information to show me a registration on the General Register Office website 

Does anyone know what to do about this or have any suggestions?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I got it straight off on GRO - used female in 1841 with surname phonetically similar to twis with the reference details  and got  this

TWISS, HANNAH        
Age 6 
Q1  1841
WIGAN UNION LANCASHIRE 
Volume 21  Page 619

Suspect not yours, given the age? (unless it should be 6 months?)