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Andrew Young - how can I discover more about his fate?
« on: Thursday 03 July 25 23:32 BST (UK) »
My 4th great-grandmother was Christina, and her second husband was Andrew Young. From his death certificate, Andrew went missing on 24th August 1906 from his home near Tarbolton, and drowned in the River Ayr, presumably by suicide. His body was found on 1st September in the river near Coylton.

Christina died on the 31st August at home from valvular heart disease and gastritis (which had lasted a month), and it makes me wonder if her death had anything to do with him being missing.

So far I haven't been able to find any newspaper reports on British Newspaper Archive regarding this, so wondering if anyone could help or advise me on where to go next?

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Re: Andrew Young - how can I discover more about his fate?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 July 25 23:43 BST (UK) »
Do you have his death certificate?
What are the details given.......
What is cause of death?
Who was informant?
Does it mention an inquest?
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Re: Andrew Young - how can I discover more about his fate?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 July 25 00:29 BST (UK) »
yes, apologies, should've shared those originally!

#1 his death certificate, no cause of death shown. Informant was grandson James Doolan of Annbank.

#2 register of corrected items, telling us more in detail what happened. It's a bit of a rough read but roughly transcribed:
Went missing from his home Colvingston (Colviston) Farm, Tarbolton on the evening of 24th August 1906. Probably drowned in the River Ayr near that farm, that night. Dead body found on 1st September 1906 in the River Ayr near Auchincruive Bridge (now known as Oswald's Bridge) in the Parish of Coylton.

Cause of death a few lines below is listed as 'Drowning suicidal'.

I can't see any mention of an inquest but if I have missed something do please correct me - also - I have had to compress the second file in order for it to send so if there are any problems with it please let me know.

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Re: Andrew Young - how can I discover more about his fate?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 July 25 01:14 BST (UK) »
You have to think that Andrew’s disappearance must have caused considerable stress for Christina, and probably did contribute to her death.

Even if there is a mention in the paper, I don’t think you’ll get more detail about Andrew’s death than what is included in the Register of Corrected Entries, which in this case seems like the sort of thing you get in an inquest, except it doesn’t say who found the body, or mention witnesses.

Whether his drowning was by suicide or accident would be hard to say, in my opinion.
I have come across numerous cases of men who were out and about and "drunk", getting into trouble by accident (falling into the river, or into a dock, falling off a horse, etc. … ) and then being found dead.
Posted image is too small to read who certified that it was suicide rather than an accident, but I wonder how he would know.
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Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Andrew Young - how can I discover more about his fate?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 04 July 25 02:59 BST (UK) »


Did Christina or Andrew leaver a Will?.

Where are they buried?.  Is there a headstone inscription?

What are you hoping to find?

I doubt that you will find more than you have now.



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Re: Andrew Young - how can I discover more about his fate?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 04 July 25 08:12 BST (UK) »
I can't see any mention of an inquest
There would not have been an inquest because there is no such procedure in Scots Law.

A report would have been sent to the Procurator Fiscal, who would have considered whether or not any further procedures were necessary. You'll see that the RCE is signed by the Procurator Fiscal and by the Registrar, so they were both clearly satisfied with the reported cause of death, and that the RCE is dated just 10 days after Andrew's body was found. The only detail missing is the name of the doctor who examined the body and determined the cause of death.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Andrew Young - how can I discover more about his fate?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 July 25 02:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks all for the help. It does seem odd that a doctors name is not listed where it is clearly asked for.

I can't make out the Prosecutor Fiscal's first name but the surname looks to be MacKenna.

As says on the record, Andrew was buried in St Quivox Churchyard (I presume Christina was too). I will send an email to the council cemetery office and see if I can get an inscription - that is - if a headstone still stands or ever did.

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Re: Andrew Young - how can I discover more about his fate?
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