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William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« on: Thursday 03 July 25 23:10 BST (UK) »
Hi, I am not really sure where to post this as it's a bit of a weird one, hence posting it in the Common Room. It is a bit long-winded to explain but it really is bizarre so please stick with me if you can!

 My ancestor William Billing Sloggett (born 13 July 1850, St. Austell, Cornwall, England bapt. 4 August 1850, married Ellen Angove 13 November 1875 at Redruth, Cornwall, occupation 'Tin Miner' while for the first census at working age in 1871 he is stated a 'Mine Labourer'. His death certificate (died 2 May 1880, Camborne, Cornwall) again states him as a 'Mine Labourer'. All of this fits, as his own father was a Labourer and it was a thoroughly working-class family.

His eldest daughter, Catherine Hague Sloggett (born 29 December 1875, Illogan, Cornwall) married William John Winn of Helston, Cornwall on 7 July 1894 at the Register Office in Helston, and this is where it gets confusing; I have a copy of the marriage certificate where someone in the office filled in the columns themselves after the certificate had been ordered, and and a more recent order of the same certificate where this time it is a scan of the original. I ordered the same certificate again as the first one was seemingly almost laughably wrong on Catherine's side. But looking at the scan of the actual original it does say exactly what the person who wrote up their own one put. They say the same and both are so wrong: Catherine's name is given as Catherine Heage Billin David Clockett. 'Heage' is obviously Hague, her actual middle name, while 'Billin' must be in reference to her father William Billing Sloggett, who in turn is in reference to his grandmother, Priscilla Billing. Similarly,  'David' must be in reference to her grandmother Catherine Hague Davey. Yet neither of these were ever recorded as part of her name anywhere else, including her birth certificate. She was just Catherine Hague Sloggett.

But the bigger issue is on the marriage certificate her father is not stated as the William Billing Sloggett aforementioned; rather, a 'William Henry Clockett'. The 'Clockett' can be excused as someone mishearing the unusual name Sloggett, but he was never called William Henry anything, and it does not sound remotely like Billing either. Even more bizarre is this 'William Henry Clockett's occupation is given as an Oculist (!) Now we really are miles off the actual father William Billing Sloggett the Mine Labourer. How on earth can it be so wrong?

The final twist is for years I have thought this Oculist detail was just plain wrong and that there couldn't be any truth behind it. There still isn't really, but I have found something which gives it a tiny bit of explanation. I found a newspaper entry after his death (as aforementioned died 2 May 1880) from The Cornishman on 13 May 1880 announcing his death which reads "SLOGGETT - May 2nd, at North-road, Camborne, Mr. William Sloggett, a married man, aged 30. - One who (it is testified to by a good many) has done a great deal of good to sight-injured miners".

Which creates a bizarre connection between the two worlds of Miner and Oculist. So in light of all this conflicting evidence, three questions arise:
- Why/how was the marriage certificate so wrong on Catherine's side, conflicting with the other records on pretty much every detail?
- Given the overwhelming evidence William Billing Sloggett was a Miner and not an Oculist, how on earth was he able to do "a great deal of good to sight-injured miners"?
- Related to the last one, if he actually was an Oculist of some sort/had some skill in that area, why was he a Miner by trade? Surely much harder work, a lot less pay, far more dangerous etc.

Thank you for reading and I would be very grateful for any suggestions to any of these mysteries!
The Sloggetts of St. Teath/St. Minver; Sloggetts of Australia; Sloggetts of America; Winns of Mabe/Helston; Winns of America; Rowes of St. Blazey/Par; Angoves of Illogan; Tregarthens of the Scilly Isles; Billings of St. Breward; Martins of St. Gluvias; Haydons of Dartmouth; Brownsons of Stoke Fleming; Boyens of Poplar/West Ham/Surrey; Boyens of New Zealand; Boyens of Australia; Emblens of Hampshire/Sussex/London; Wrights of London; Greens of Preston; Hemphills and McKerrachers of Scotland.

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Re: William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 July 25 07:09 BST (UK) »

Catherine Hague Davey Sloggett reg. 1863 Camelford mother's maiden name Davey


Catherine Hague Sloggett  reg. 1876 Redruth mother's maiden name Angrove

Ref: GRO Index

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Re: William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 July 25 08:41 BST (UK) »
Check page 5, foot of column 1, of the Cornish Echo & Falmouth & Penryn Times, 24 Mar 1877

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Re: William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 July 25 09:38 BST (UK) »
I think you may have the incorrect parents for Catherine.

Catherine Hague Davey Sloggett reg. 1863 Camelford mother's maiden name Davey

This is the sister to William Billing Sloggett b 1850 St Austell
She is also seen in the census as Catherine Hague Billing Sloggett



Catherine Hague Sloggett  reg. 1876 Redruth mother's maiden name Angrove

This is the daughter of William Billing Sloggett b 1850 St Austell
So she carries names of a couple of generations back.  Possibly ALL middle names included on the marriage just for detail to be preserved.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 04 July 25 09:44 BST (UK) »
Linking to clips of the report mentioned by HT:

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/b2c15b85-189c-4a36-854b-4d65fc38c703

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/5f0ddec5-dca1-4e78-bb0e-203c04acc6c9

Shaun, Thanks for sharing.

Since he died in 1880, it would seem that Sloggett didn't have a lot of time to develop his herbal eye treatment.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 04 July 25 12:18 BST (UK) »
I think you may have the incorrect parents for Catherine.

Catherine Hague Davey Sloggett reg. 1863 Camelford mother's maiden name Davey

This is the sister to William Billing Sloggett b 1850 St Austell
She is also seen in the census as Catherine Hague Billing Sloggett



Catherine Hague Sloggett  reg. 1876 Redruth mother's maiden name Angrove

This is the daughter of William Billing Sloggett b 1850 St Austell
So she carries names of a couple of generations back.  Possibly ALL middle names included on the marriage just for detail to be preserved.

Yes this is correct, and I think you are right that they put all the names in on the marriage certificate to preserve them. I am constantly impressed by how far back maiden names were remembered and included for posterity in this period; I think far fewer people today outside of those interested in genealogy would have the same level of knowledge. In the same vein, you don't see maiden names as middle names much anymore, and the two are quite possibly connected.
The Sloggetts of St. Teath/St. Minver; Sloggetts of Australia; Sloggetts of America; Winns of Mabe/Helston; Winns of America; Rowes of St. Blazey/Par; Angoves of Illogan; Tregarthens of the Scilly Isles; Billings of St. Breward; Martins of St. Gluvias; Haydons of Dartmouth; Brownsons of Stoke Fleming; Boyens of Poplar/West Ham/Surrey; Boyens of New Zealand; Boyens of Australia; Emblens of Hampshire/Sussex/London; Wrights of London; Greens of Preston; Hemphills and McKerrachers of Scotland.

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Re: William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 04 July 25 12:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much hanes teulu and ShaunJ for finding and sharing those! That really does settle it pretty definitively, I wasn't expecting it to be solved so quickly. That's a fantastic piece of information that shows although he tragically died at just 30 years old he made a real difference in his community; I'm sure they were devastated by his early death.
The Sloggetts of St. Teath/St. Minver; Sloggetts of Australia; Sloggetts of America; Winns of Mabe/Helston; Winns of America; Rowes of St. Blazey/Par; Angoves of Illogan; Tregarthens of the Scilly Isles; Billings of St. Breward; Martins of St. Gluvias; Haydons of Dartmouth; Brownsons of Stoke Fleming; Boyens of Poplar/West Ham/Surrey; Boyens of New Zealand; Boyens of Australia; Emblens of Hampshire/Sussex/London; Wrights of London; Greens of Preston; Hemphills and McKerrachers of Scotland.