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Offline woiiftm

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Married or Not
« on: Monday 30 June 25 15:14 BST (UK) »
Hello,
Looking for some help in clarifying some details please.
Elizabeth Holmes Black 1867-1941 and her daughter Elsie Holmes Black 1901-1979
                                                                               

Daughters marriage cert states mother Eliz H Black (afterwards married to John Bruce)
      and witnessed by mother Eliz H Black or Bruce.                cert No/644/84469
Mothers death cert lists her as single (not married or widowed).
                                                                                          cert 685/733
Marriage also witnessed by a Kathleen Black or Colombo. We have no record thus far of a Kathleen anywhere in our lists.
Elsie birth cert states Illegitimate, born to an Assurance Company Manager   cert 685/3 1215
We also have the 1921 census showing mother and daughter living together.

Cannot find a marriage cert for Elizabeth to a John Bruce
Can anyone explain for us please the apparent discrepancy in information re Elizabeth on the certificates, and why can we not find Kathleen?

Many Thanks

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Re: Married or Not
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 June 25 15:30 BST (UK) »
I notice Elsie only married in 1939 by which time Elizabeth was 72. 

Was she Elizabeth Black in 1921.
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Re: Married or Not
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 June 25 15:43 BST (UK) »
She is shown as Mrs Elizabeth Holmes Bruce on the ER for Shaws Street Edinburgh - 1907/1908
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Re: Married or Not
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 June 25 15:47 BST (UK) »
Elsie H Bruce & Mrs Elizabeth Bruce are at Cairnlea Drive Glasgow on the ER 1933/34
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Re: Married or Not
« Reply #4 on: Monday 30 June 25 16:02 BST (UK) »

 Hi, and thanks for the interest.
  Yes she is listed as Elizabeth in the 1921 Census living in St Vincent St Edinburgh.
Sorry, but take it the ER is Electoral Register?
So from your post re Shaws St, she did get married, yet I can't find it.
Could this be one of those "irregular marriages" I've read about and if so, would using the other name be recognised for any legal purpose?
Yet she is listed as single on death cert.
Sorry still a little confused

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Re: Married or Not
« Reply #5 on: Monday 30 June 25 16:03 BST (UK) »
Who is the informant on mother’s death certificate that gives her status as single?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Married or Not
« Reply #6 on: Monday 30 June 25 16:09 BST (UK) »
Kathleen Black Colombo died in 1943.
 Have you looked at her death certificate for information?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Married or Not
« Reply #7 on: Monday 30 June 25 16:12 BST (UK) »

 Son in Law William McAinsh is listed as informant, not the daughter

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 June 25 16:16 BST (UK) »

 Son in Law William McAinsh is listed as informant, not the daughter

He may not be correct in his knowledge of her marital status.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)