Bathurst NSW marriage - Caroline Elizabeth BRYANT to Charles Edward SIMPSON

[pastrelatives]

Hello
I would like help from a local family history/genealogy group please.

Caroline Elizabeth BRYANT married Charles Edward SIMPSON in Bathurst NSW in 1879
The NSW marriage certificate reference is 2497
I have tried to order a certificate but it isn't available, so I assume it is one of those that has never been uploaded.

Caroline's father was Thomas BRYANT
Her mother was Kate or Catherine - I am trying to confirm her mother's surname as, when Caroline married for a 2nd time (to F M YATES 1889) her mother is down as Kate QUINN or MCQUIRE (other trees show her name as Catherine KINNA).

Extra information that may help:
Caroline had at least two sisters named Sarah Ann BRYANT and Rachel BRYANT
Caroline's father Thomas BRYANT married a 2nd time to someone named Celia or Cecelia (surname not known).

Any information at all would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
Frances

[softly softly]

Birth

BRYANT CAROLINE E  4723/1859 THOMAS & CATHERINE   BATHURST


Father's 2nd marriage

1272/1860 BRYANT THOMAS & MAGUIRE CELIA   BATHURST

Cannot see a death for Catherine 1859/60.

SS

[judb]

NSW BMD says the marriage certificate is "readily available".  Cheaper and quicker to use an approved transcription agent as shown on the website - three shown, all good; transcription is emailed to you.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/family-and-relationships/family-history-search/search-guide

[aahume]

The original marriage certificate between Caroline and Francesco Yates in Fitzroy clearly shows the mother as Kate McQuinn. It is posted on Ancestry.com.au

Also in this gallery of certificates are Caroline and Francesco"s death certs in England.

[judb]

Just a snippet which may be of interest - or not! And no help with Caroline

This birth (from Thomas' second marriage) in 1864 (#A5508), registered Bathurst, for
Sarah A BRYANT, parents Thomas, Celia

This marriage would seem to be the same female: at Waterloo (Sydney), reg 3428/1885
John MULEEN, Sarah Ann BRYANT
The image for this marriage shows Sarah, aged 21, born Bathurst, with parents Thomas Bryant and Kate Maguire, Thomas' occupation is given as 'butcher'.  So it's possible that 'Celia" may have been known as Kate - or possibly, incorrect information given by the bride.

[judb]

aahume - what is the access for these certificates, please

[wivenhoe]

Family tree on Ancestry -

https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/1026975/person/-2012411310/facts
...see gallery for images.

  marriage in Victoria, YATES -SIMPSON has  witness is Sarah MULEEN and  Wm   G.....Y                     all parties sign

[sparrett]

As a child, Sarah Ann BRYANT (later MULEEN) made serious allegations about her father Thomas. 1876

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/252088740?searchTerm=%22sarah%20ann%20bryant%22

More detail. Mentions a stepdaughter Caroline and Ann Chilvers. March 1876
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18804165?searchTerm=%22sarah%20ann%20bryant%22

He was acquitted.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18806271?searchTerm=%22sarah%20ann%20bryant%22

Sue

[judb]

Thanks wivenhoe. 
Very annoying that death registration in England doesn't ask for parent names!

Trying to put a few snippets together.

So Sarah MULEEN, who is a witness at the Caroline/Francesco marriage is Caroline's stepsister, previously Sarah Jane BRYANT.
At her marriage to Francesco Yates, Caroline gives her mother's name as Kate McQuinn.
Sarah Jane Bryant, on her own marriage certificate, gives her mother as Kate Maguire.
The marriage of Thomas BRYANT in 1860 is to Celia MAGUIRE and later children to Thomas give the mother's name as Celia.

Just a thought - is it possible that Caroline's mother, shown on the index for Caroline's birth as "Catherine" is the same person as the Celia Maguire that Thomas marries in 1860.  There is no evidence for a marriage between Thomas and Catherine, nor a death for Catherine, Caroline's mother.

However, the newspaper reports found by Sue clearly state that Sarah has a stepsister.