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Bastard Baptism - difficult word
« on: Monday 23 June 25 14:30 BST (UK) »
From the Baptism register of St Nicholas, Newcastle upon Tyne, 1667

'Sammuell sonne to Barbara Fenwick [unrecognised word] a bastard'

Can anyone help with this word?

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Re: Bastard Baptism - difficult word
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 June 25 15:07 BST (UK) »
It looks like 'Innocent' to me.
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Re: Bastard Baptism - difficult word
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 29 June 25 23:50 BST (UK) »
Are you able to give a bigger page view with more entries shown, so we can see comparison letters in other words?

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Re: Bastard Baptism - difficult word
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 July 25 01:19 BST (UK) »
Looks like the spelling may be ffenwick. Not sure how to capitalise a surname spelt like that or even if it was ever capitalised?

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Re: Bastard Baptism - difficult word
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 01 July 25 01:33 BST (UK) »
What appears to be "ff" is a capital F. My go to for Old Law Hands:
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~oel/lawhandslg.html

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Re: Bastard Baptism - difficult word
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 01 July 25 02:29 BST (UK) »
Quote from: andygmandrew on Monday 23 June 25 14:30 BST (UK)
From the Baptism register of St Nicholas, Newcastle upon Tyne, 1667

'Sammuell sonne to Barbara Fenwick [unrecognised word] a bastard'

Can anyone help with this word?

'Sammuell sonne to Barbara Fenwick servant a bastard'

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Re: Bastard Baptism - difficult word
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 01 July 25 03:15 BST (UK) »
Quote from: ~buttons~ on Tuesday 01 July 25 02:29 BST (UK)
Quote from: andygmandrew on Monday 23 June 25 14:30 BST (UK)
From the Baptism register of St Nicholas, Newcastle upon Tyne, 1667

'Sammuell sonne to Barbara Fenwick [unrecognised word] a bastard'

Can anyone help with this word?
'Sammuell sonne to Barbara Fenwick servant a bastard'

The word is not 'servant'.

The first letter is a classic capital "I" in this hand.
Compare it to the capital 'S' on Samuell's name above it. It's very different.

I'd agree with Jen B's reply - "Innocent"
You can easily see the 'double n' and the 'o'. The next letter which looks like an 'r' is in fact a 'c' -
It's the same as the 'c' in 'ffenwick'.
The next letter is smudged, but probably an 'e', and then another 'n' and a 't'.

There may be other instances in the baptism register where the the vicar has called illegitimate children the same thing.

The word after this is actually written 'bastert', not 'bastard'.
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Re: Bastard Baptism - difficult word
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 July 25 06:03 BST (UK) »
I would agree with Innocent going by some of the letters I can see.

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Ellam, Mills, Ellins
Firth, Wood, Muffitt
Hill, Mattinson, Nicholson
Morrey, Hudson, Limb

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Re: Bastard Baptism - difficult word
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 July 25 12:58 BST (UK) »
Quote from: LAPUCCINA on Sunday 29 June 25 23:50 BST (UK)
Are you able to give a bigger page view with more entries shown, so we can see comparison letters in other words?

Unfortunately the file would be too big. I think 'Innocent' is the correct reading.
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